Yeah, bye bye NBA for AWHILE. Will suck big time.

Seriously sucks. Monday through Saturday are going to suck sports wise this winter.

Seriously sucks. Monday through Saturday are going to suck sports wise this winter.

I am fairly confident the NFL will be back before games are missed, but could you imagine if there were two simultaneous lockouts?

I am fairly confident the NFL will be back before games are missed, but could you imagine if there were two simultaneous lockouts?

I would have a ton of free time on my hands and would have no way to spend it because winter sucks. I am confident the NFL will be there though. College sports just aren't the same.

Those comparing Mirotic to Kukoc are extremely mistaken and simply making the comparison based on his height and location of the world he comes from. His game is much more comparable to Bargnani. Kukoc didn't have nearly the outside jumper that Mirotic has. He's a legit 6'10 and has room to grow in his frame. Unlike a lot of international players who get drafted, this guy actually plays quality minutes and is insanely efficient.

Anyone thinking that Mirotic is going to be any good is being kinda silly. I think his best-case scenario is Ersan Ilyasova.

That's just ignorant.

Those comparing Mirotic to Kukoc are extremely mistaken and simply making the comparison based on his height and location of the world he comes from. His game is much more comparable to Bargnani. Kukoc didn't have nearly the outside jumper that Mirotic has. He's a legit 6'10 and has room to grow in his frame. Unlike a lot of international players who get drafted, this guy actually plays quality minutes and is insanely efficient.

 

And he's a Croat, so that's not even bias talking there...

And he's a Croat, so that's not even bias talking there...

He's not Croatian. He's a Serbian born in Montenegro.

He's not Croatian. He's a Serbian born in Montenegro.

 

I almost thought that was in Africa. Then I remembered my middle school geography.

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Those comparing Mirotic to Kukoc are extremely mistaken and simply making the comparison based on his height and location of the world he comes from. His game is much more comparable to Bargnani. Kukoc didn't have nearly the outside jumper that Mirotic has. He's a legit 6'10 and has room to grow in his frame. Unlike a lot of international players who get drafted, this guy actually plays quality minutes and is insanely efficient.

I asked if he was similar to Kukoc. No one answered. I was not trying to compare him to Kukoc; but, they do have similar body size and outside games.

 

Kukoc had a very good outside jumper.

I asked if he was similar to Kukoc. No one answered. I was not trying to compare him to Kukoc; but, they do have similar body size and outside games.

 

Kukoc had a very good outside jumper.

I had a feeling based on the first post that someone is going to come back with a modern stat showing his outside shot was actually ineffective.

I asked if he was similar to Kukoc. No one answered. I was not trying to compare him to Kukoc; but, they do have similar body size and outside games.

 

Kukoc had a very good outside jumper.

I had a feeling based on the first post that someone is going to come back with a modern stat showing his outside shot was actually ineffective.

Is 3P% a modern stat? Kukoc was a career 33.5% three-point shooter.

He had an international 3 pointer that was inside the NBA 3 point line, so it took him a few seasons to get used to the NBA's.

I'd love to believe you, but you're simply wrong. Even ignoring his first two years -- where he shot 27.1% and 31.3% from beyond the arc -- he was a 34.1% three-point shooter.

I'd love to believe you, but you're simply wrong. Even ignoring his first two years -- where he shot 27.1% and 31.3% from beyond the arc -- he was a 34.1% three-point shooter.

In fact, why leave it at that?

 

1993-94 -- LEAGUE AVG: .333; KUKOC: .271

1994-95 -- LEAGUE AVG: .359; KUKOC: .313

1995-96 -- LEAGUE AVG: .367; KUKOC: .403

1996-97 -- LEAGUE AVG: .360; KUKOC: .331

1997-98 -- LEAGUE AVG: .346; KUKOC: .362

1998-99 -- LEAGUE AVG: .339; KUKOC: .285

1999-00 -- LEAGUE AVG: .353; KUKOC: .262

2000-01 -- LEAGUE AVG: .354; KUKOC: .446

2001-02 -- LEAGUE AVG: .354; KUKOC: .310

2002-03 -- LEAGUE AVG: .349; KUKOC: .361

2003-04 -- LEAGUE AVG: .347; KUKOC: .292

2004-05 -- LEAGUE AVG: .356; KUKOC: .362

2005-06 -- LEAGUE AVG: .358; KUKOC: .306

 

He was, by definition, an above-average three-point shooter in five seasons during his career, while below average in eight. And one of those seasons (2004-05), you could make a pretty good argument that he was really average instead of above-average.

 

Of course, none of this even considers how much extra space he had during his Chicago years, given the amount of attention Jordan got on the offensive end.

 

In his career, Kukoc averaged 10 shots a game for 11.6 points per game. That's not particularly good for a guy that's supposed to be a "very good" shooter.

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He was a very good shooter in Europe and had at least 5 good seasons shooting the ball with FG and 3 pt %. How many 7 foot tall guys could say that pre-Dirk?

He was a very good shooter in Europe and had at least 5 good seasons shooting the ball with FG and 3 pt %. How many 7 foot tall guys could say that pre-Dirk?

Muggsy Bogues played a lot of seasons and was 5'3". How many 5'3" players could say that before him? Does that make him a very good player?

 

(Note: this is a very stupid argument, but really, yours wasn't anything to write home about either)

 

Tony Kukoc was a below average NBA shooter. Who gives a f*** if he's tall or shot well in Europe? You didn't say "Kukoc was a good shooter given his height" or "Prior to Dirk, Kukoc was as good as they come for shooting big men" (which I don't know if I'd agree with either, but I'm not putting the time into looking that up now). You said that Kukoc was a very good outside shooter, and that simply isn't true.

 

He was below average for most of his career. If you want to be generous, you could say he was average (at best) for his career, but even that isn't true looking at the numbers posted above.

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Muggsy Bogues played a lot of seasons and was 5'3". How many 5'3" players could say that before him? Does that make him a very good player?

 

(Note: this is a very stupid argument, but really, yours wasn't anything to write home about either)

 

Tony Kukoc was a below average NBA shooter. Who gives a f*** if he's tall or shot well in Europe? You didn't say "Kukoc was a good shooter given his height" or "Prior to Dirk, Kukoc was as good as they come for shooting big men" (which I don't know if I'd agree with either, but I'm not putting the time into looking that up now). You said that Kukoc was a very good outside shooter, and that simply isn't true.

 

He was below average for most of his career. If you want to be generous, you could say he was average (at best) for his career, but even that isn't true looking at the numbers posted above.

Either way, Mirotic is leaps and bounds a better shooter than Kukoc. He's a thinner Stojakovic. Stojakovic is also 6'10.

Mirotic is more comparable to Stojakovic and Gallinari than Kukoc. However, I do think he will be a slightly better defender, athlete, and passer than both. I think in a couple years once he rounds out as a player, he will be an excellent trading asset if the Bulls decide not to keep him.

That's just ignorant.

Ignorant? God, you are annoying. How is that ignorant? Ilyasova is a solid player. He's no All-Star, and sure as s*** no Bargnani (which Mirotic stands no chance of becoming). Ilyasova is a good comparison.

 

Take it easy, co-cheese.

Ignorant? God, you are annoying. How is that ignorant? Ilyasova is a solid player. He's no All-Star, and sure as s*** no Bargnani (which Mirotic stands no chance of becoming). Ilyasova is a good comparison.

 

Take it easy, co-cheese.

Have you ever heard of Nikola Mirotic before the last few days? How do you know that he stands no chance of becoming Bargnani? His game is the same except he actually hustles. He's a pure shooter. His ceiling his higher than Ilyasova.

 

And it's ignorant because it matches what the definition of ignorant is.

Here's a good Mirotic video:

 

Have you ever heard of Nikola Mirotic before the last few days? How do you know that he stands no chance of becoming Bargnani? His game is the same except he actually hustles. He's a pure shooter. His ceiling his higher than Ilyasova.

 

And it's ignorant because it matches what the definition of ignorant is.

Ilyasova is a pure shooter. You are mindless.

Ilyasova is a pure shooter. You are mindless.

And there's no way in hell Lebron signs with the Heat. NO WAY.

Ilyasova is a pure shooter. You are mindless.

Ilyasova is also a banger down low and will back guys down. Those are things that Mirotic doesn't have in his game. At least not yet. This is what I'm trying to tell you. Right now, his game most resembles Bargnani. As in a big man who spends most of his time on the perimeter and wont get you much more than 5 or 6 rebounds a game. Mirotic hustles way more than Bargnani though. No reason to think he can't develop into Bargnani, who is 5 years older.