2 million is a reasonable number of fans...I'll bet it is still at 1.5 million for the target.

Here's a link to a story on the lease from 1989

 

The report, which includes an economic study conducted by the accounting firm of Laventhol & Horwath, predicts stadium costs could total as much as $657.2 million over the 20-year lease with the Sox.

 

That figure includes an estimated $26.9 million ticket subsidy to the White Sox under a portion of the agreement that requires the authority to purchase up to 300,000 tickets annually if the team draws less than 1.5 million fans in any of the second 10 years of the stadium lease.

 

I believe the number has been renegotiated since the renovations and is now 2 million.

Would have to check, but doesn't seem like we've ever received that subsidy.

 

Getting down to 1.5 million or less in attendance still probably wouldn't come close to being worth $2-3 million (basically less than they're paying Scott Linebrink not to pitch for the Sox this season).

 

 

 

Bynoe said the 1988 agreement with the Sox could net the state and the authority $4 million a year during a 20-year lease. Under a ``worst-case``

 

scenario, Bynoe said, the authority would lose $5 million annually, according to projections.

 

The projections of a yearly $5 million loss come from an annual $2 million subsidy and a requirement that the authority buy up to 300,000 tickets if Sox attendence does not reach 1.5 million fans in years 11-20 of the 20-year agreement.

 

In the first 10 years of the lease, the White Sox will recieve an annual $2 million subsidy if attendance does not top 1.2 million, which Bynoe said is a break-even point for Sox owners.

 

The agency had difficulty in complying with two new Sox demands: that it take title to homes of South Armour Square residents by October and that the General Assembly establish a continuing appropriation to ensure $5 million yearly payments for the stadium.

 

Thomas Reynolds, authority chairman, said the Sox would accept an alternative that allows them to sue the authority if the legislature holds up payment. Reynolds also said both sides have agreed the authority must acquire the property by October.

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Getting down to 1.5 million or less in attendance still probably wouldn't come close to being worth $2-3 million (basically less than they're paying Scott Linebrink not to pitch for the Sox this season).

 

Hard to say. Need more info since the lease was renegotiated and it's really tough to find online. Suffice it to say, it's a darn good lease for the Sox even 20 years after it signed.

 

Can't find anything about the renegotiation on-line.

 

It might be like the Peavy insurance subsidy...where we'll never know the precise details.

 

It should be possible to find about the Sox-USCF deal simply because it's public information SOMEWHERE.

 

 

It should be possible to find about the Sox-USCF deal simply because it's public information SOMEWHERE.

 

It's apparent Google is heeding the word and staying out of White Sox business.

can we change the title of this thread to "Get Lillibridge Games ANYWHERE - WE NEED f***ING OFFENSE!"

 

just a suggestion

I'd take Lilly as everyday DH over Dunn at this point, but yes, I realize Dunn is going nowhere cause of the fact nobody dares take that contract from us.

 

I'd rather have Lexi at ss and Lilly battle Becks for the starting 2B job.

Yes. I believe it's at the average ticket price.

 

You trade Ramirez because his value will never be higher. In so doing that, you free up money to possibly sign Buehrle.

 

You don't trade Alexei to resign Buehrle. If you are going to rationalize dealing your all-world defensive, and very solid offensive SS, it is because you are rebuilding.

If you are going to rationalize dealing your all-world defensive, and very solid offensive SS, it is because you are rebuilding.

 

He's been all-average defensively this year as well as his first year.

He's been all-average defensively this year as well as his first year.

 

NO matter what the stats say, you don't trade Alexei Ramirez to replace him with Brent Lillibridge unless you are doing a rebuild. If you are rebuilding, you aren't resigning Mark Buehrle to a long term deal.

He's been all-average defensively this year as well as his first year.

 

He's been arguably the best defensive SS in baseball the last two years.

He's been arguably the best defensive SS in baseball the last two years.

 

Not this year. How many pop ups have dropped in front of Pierre/Rios, plays that were his? He appears to be afraid he's going to get in a collision.

 

NO matter what the stats say, you don't trade Alexei Ramirez to replace him with Brent Lillibridge unless you are doing a rebuild. If you are rebuilding, you aren't resigning Mark Buehrle to a long term deal.

 

Buehrle is more important to this franchise over the next three years than Ramirez is.

 

Not this year. How many pop ups have dropped in front of Pierre/Rios, plays that were his? He appears to be afraid he's going to get in a collision.

 

lol. GMAB. You're going to blame Ramirez for Pierre's dreadful first couple months and Rios' laziness?

Not this year. How many pop ups have dropped in front of Pierre/Rios, plays that were his? He appears to be afraid he's going to get in a collision.

 

Is FLD some kind of fielding measure? If so fangraphs has Alexei at #1, by a sizable margin.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=2011&ind=0

lol. GMAB. You're going to blame Ramirez for Pierre's dreadful first couple months and Rios' laziness?

 

No. I'm blaming him for plays the best defensive SS in the leagues makes.

Buehrle is more important to this franchise over the next three years than Ramirez is.

 

Not if we are rebuilding.

Is FLD some kind of fielding measure? If so fangraphs has Alexei at #1, by a sizable margin.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=2011&ind=0

 

Hopefully some unsuspecting GM will believe Fangraphs this offseason.

 

Hopefully some unsuspecting GM will believe Fangraphs this offseason.

 

They also have him 4th in WAR at SS in all of MLB.

Is FLD some kind of fielding measure? If so fangraphs has Alexei at #1, by a sizable margin.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=2011&ind=0

 

I did find it somewhere else FLD is fielding.

Hopefully some unsuspecting GM will believe Fangraphs this offseason.

I keep expecting your posts to improve, and sadly you continue to spew this awful garbage that is disproven by both the eye test and actual statistics. Maybe you should call your "guy on 35th" and ask him what Sox scouts think of Alexei.

The fact of the matter is that Pierre was really tentative (for whatever reason) the first couple of months.

 

It got to the point where Alexei couldn't trust him on any pop-up or Texas Leaguer plopped into short LF or LCF...the whole problem between those two is that Alexei lost confidence in Pierre to the point where he started to go after everything...balls that should have been called and taken by Pierre.

 

The outfielder, as we all know, almost always has the better play since he's coming forward....just like infielders calls off the P and C if at all possible.

 

So now you're arguing Alexei Ramirez, who has the best range in baseball arguably, should anchor himself near 2B because Alex Rios is getting paid $12.5 million to play Gold Gold defense (since he certainly hasn't hit well enough to justify his contract)...that every pop-up hit to CF, that Alexei has to assume that Rios will misread it and he has to run all the way out there and make the play instead?

 

How can he cover 75% of the entire outfield???

 

Keep in mind, Alexei Ramirez is earning $1.1 million dollars this season.

 

We always defend Morel based on his rookie status and lower salary....but c'mon, Rios and Pierre are making $21 million combined and Alexei Ramirez should play 3 freakin' positions?

 

What happened to accountability?

 

Yet we punish the guy who has to do the work of 3 players defensively by trading him?

 

That's like firing your best salesmen because you don't want to fire your worst 2 because "they have kids and their wives are unemployed."

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FWIW, Alexei did get this year renegotiated at much higher than $1.1 million.

I keep expecting your posts to improve, and sadly you continue to spew this awful garbage that is disproven by both the eye test and actual statistics. Maybe you should call your "guy on 35th" and ask him what Sox scouts think of Alexei.

 

It's clear to me that you don't understand the game or the position the Sox are in. I wish the Sox were in a position to keep their 30 y.o. shortstop. They're a .500 team with few tradable players.