LittleHurt05 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 So much for Big Game James Shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) So much for Big Game James Shields I'm seriously hoping the Rays lose this series (great story and all, but I care more about the Sox than a great baseball story). It gives us a better chance at Martinez considering the Red Sox are worrying about their GM position as well. Edited October 2, 2011 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) With their pitching depth the Rays could put Shields on the trade market this offseason. If the A's do the same with Gio, Danks and Floyd's values take a big hit. It would be smart for the Rays to do this. Shields has overachieved his peripherals (although his peripherals are still excellent) this season and he should be a regression candidate come next season. Sell high while you can. Edited October 2, 2011 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 02:09 AM) It would be smart for the Rays to do this. Shields has overachieved his peripherals (although his peripherals are still excellent) this season and he should be a regression candidate come next season. Sell high while you can. Like they did with say...Edwin Jackson... Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 08:18 AM) LOL, J4L, you are sure flippant with your definition of "best". It can change at any time No, this is inaccurate. The two best all-around players in baseball are Tulo and Longo. They do it both offensively and defensively at premium positions. You can find a 1B or LF at Walmart (unless you're the Sox, and you're giving JP 700 at bats). But those positions are so much easier to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Like they did with say...Edwin Jackson... Sigh. And Scott Kazmir and Matt Garza. Edited October 2, 2011 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) And Scott Kazmir and Matt Garza. Matt Garza pitched well this year and got zero support from his offense. 3.32 ERA, 2.95 FIP. Scott Kazmir is another story. He is worthless now. Once again, the Angels took on garbage and gave up some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 06:55 PM) Matt Garza pitched well this year and got zero support from his offense. 3.32 ERA, 2.95 FIP. Scott Kazmir is another story. He is worthless now. Once again, the Angels took on garbage and gave up some talent. That wasn't my point. The point was the Rays were able to deal Garza without losing anything from the big league club because they had Jeremy Hellickson ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 07:02 PM) That wasn't my point. The point was the Rays were able to deal Garza without losing anything from the big league club because they had Jeremy Hellickson ready to go. Gotcha. I thought you were saying they traded him when his perceived value was highest. It must be nice to be able to just throw starters out there from nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) That wasn't my point. The point was the Rays were able to deal Garza without losing anything from the big league club because they had Jeremy Hellickson ready to go. How does their rotation stack up next year if they were to trade another starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 08:57 PM) How does their rotation stack up next year if they were to trade another starter? Price, Hellickson, Davis, Niemann, Moore. Not too shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Like they did with say...Edwin Jackson... Sigh. They sold low on Jackson. They will be selling extremely high on Shields, who's really not as good as he was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 01:49 AM) They sold low on Jackson. They will be selling extremely high on Shields, who's really not as good as he was this year. "Selling low on Jackson" still got them a near-all-star OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 10:07 PM) Price, Hellickson, Davis, Niemann, Moore. Not too shabby. Yeah, they can probably live with that. Who's next up for them in the minors as starter #6 next year should they need one? I know its the Rays so they do kinda have to go with what they've got, but having a #6 starter at AA/AAA must play into those decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 It's safe to say the outcome of today's game could impact when the Sox have a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:44 AM) It's safe to say the outcome of today's game could impact when the Sox have a new manager. How so? There's a game tomorrow no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) How so? There's a game tomorrow no matter what. But if the Rays win, they are up 2-1, and the Rangers backs are against the wall. Reverse is true for the Rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Mike Napoli = beast. Angels must be kicking themselves over the Wells trade. It's all Carl Crawford's fault and Tony Reagins loves overpaying outfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 One more win Texas, then Kenny can get on the horn to Martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Boooooo. Tampa will still take this in 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 The rangers may just have the rays number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) Boooooo. Tampa will still take this in 5. If you want Dave Martinez, you want the Rays to lose as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) If you want Dave Martinez, you want the Rays to lose as quickly as possible. Huh? Nobody can talk to him while they're still playing. Doesn't matter when they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:06 PM) Huh? Nobody can talk to him while they're still playing. Doesn't matter when they lose. That doesn't mean they won't talk to him. Tampering happens (look at what happened to Ozzie). All I know is that there's a better probability they can talk to him if the Rays lose. It might not be much better, but it will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:06 PM) Huh? Nobody can talk to him while they're still playing. Doesn't matter when they lose. The longer they have to wait, they may be more tempted to just hire someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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