We've loaded up on C/C+ prospects. That really can't move a system that much, really at all.

 

Bingo. The only impact (arguable) prospect Kenny has acquired thus far is Nestor Molina.

The kid we got from the Padres has all the ability in the world to be a B+ or better, just like Molina.

 

You start the Futures Game, that means everyone is baseball is aware of your existence.

 

Castro certainly has the ability, but after a disastrous 2011 season he needs to translate that ability to results once again.

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Bingo. The only impact (arguable) prospect Kenny has acquired thus far is Nestor Molina.

 

Disagree.

 

One of the two guys from the Padres, and possibly Marinez from the Marlins, will stick with big league team before July 31st.

 

We just opened up another spot in the pen with the Frasor move.

 

As far as defining impact, Hernandez could evolve into the Matt Thornton role quite easily. That LH reliever slot in the 7th-8th inning is plenty impactful, IMO.

 

Get the general point...let's just see how the next 24 months play out and then we can argue about all of these guys, including Zach Stewart.

 

 

The kid we got from the Padres has all the ability in the world to be a B+ or better, just like Molina.

 

You start the Futures Game, that means everyone is baseball is aware of your existence.

Trayce Thompson has all the ability in the world to be a A prospect. Most of these guys are professional baseball players because they have that potential.

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Disagree.

 

One of the two guys from the Padres, and possibly Marinez from the Marlins, will stick with big league team before July 31st.

 

We just opened up another spot in the pen with the Frasor move.

 

As far as defining impact, Hernandez could evolve into the Matt Thornton role quite easily. That LH reliever slot in the 7th-8th inning is plenty impactful, IMO.

 

Get the general point...let's just see how the next 24 months play out and then we can argue about all of these guys, including Zach Stewart.

Matt Thornton gave us three years as arguably the best left-handed reliever in baseball. That ain't an easy role to fill.

Chances Infante makes the bullpen with Frasor out?

Chances Infante makes the bullpen with Frasor out?

i'd say it's at least decent now.

Trayce Thompson has all the ability in the world to be a A prospect. Most of these are professional baseball players because they have that potential.

 

That's the point, if you have 10 pitchers like Molina and Zach Stewart who can all potentially be 2-3-4 starters in the big leagues, clearly you're much better off with at least 1-2 of them eventually succeeding in having that impact. Now we have 3 with Castro. You might stretch it and include 4 with Hector Santiago. Axelrod still looks like a back-end guy.

 

In our entire system, the only position players with the raw talent to have an impact are Thompson, Walker and Mitchell, and those are looking like 10-15% odds at best right now. With 10 of them in the system, another couple will actually make it, and hopefully at least one becomes an All-Star caliber player.

 

 

 

 

Disagree.

 

One of the two guys from the Padres, and possibly Marinez from the Marlins, will stick with big league team before July 31st.

 

We just opened up another spot in the pen with the Frasor move.

 

As far as defining impact, Hernandez could evolve into the Matt Thornton role quite easily. That LH reliever slot in the 7th-8th inning is plenty impactful, IMO.

 

Get the general point...let's just see how the next 24 months play out and then we can argue about all of these guys, including Zach Stewart.

 

You sure are confident that the majority of the Sox farm system will pan out. Considering the Sox track record of producing adequate major league contributors via the farm, I think you should lessen your expectations a bit.

Matt Thornton gave us three years as arguably the best left-handed reliever in baseball. That ain't an easy role to fill.

 

And so was Damaso Marte, KW's done it twice in under-the-radar deals.

 

I would highly doubt Hernandez ever becomes THAT good, but anything's possible if you give Cooper talented guys to work with. We've seen too many examples of it to list, and a few noted failures along the way, too.

Aside from Molina, the other prospects acquired are likely middle relievers. That's ok considering what was given up.

You sure are confident that the majority of the Sox farm system will pan out. Considering the Sox track record of producing adequate major league contributors via the farm, I think you should lessen your expectations a bit.

To be fair though, the White Sox's best area of scouting is minor league scouting. They certainly can't draft, but their minor league scouts do tend to give solid recommendations on guys who could have an impact with the Sox.

You sure are confident that the majority of the Sox farm system will pan out. Considering the Sox track record of producing adequate major league contributors via the farm, I think you should lessen your expectations a bit.

 

Just have much more confidence when we target/acquire other teams' players than drafting/projecting/developing our own guys.

 

That area of the scouting department always seems to do a much better job, for whatever reason.

Just have much more confidence when we target/acquire other teams' players than drafting/projecting/developing our own guys.

 

That area of the scouting department always seems to do a much better job, for whatever reason.

We just said the same thing. And that is definitely true. But we seem to do better with former top prospects who have faltered. So the one SD guy seems the best bet. The other guys have never been top prospects, so I really wouldn't expect much for them.

Let's get the vitriol going.

 

 

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Let's get the vitriol going.

 

 

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He clearly doesn't like the Sox, but what is there really to like about the organization right now?

He clearly doesn't like the Sox, but what is there really to like about the organization right now?

 

Not much. And I hate this we can still win while rebuilding garbage.

Not much. And I hate this we can still win while rebuilding garbage.

We can win. Just win like 80 games. It's crap. KW's fickleness is gonna put us in the perpetual 75-85 win window. That does nothing, but just make us "competitive" for most the year.

We can win. Just win like 80 games. It's crap. KW's fickleness is gonna put us in the perpetual 75-85 win window. That does nothing, but just make us "competitive" for most the year.

Who do you want to trade that the Sox haven't dealt yet?

We can win. Just win like 80 games. It's crap. KW's fickleness is gonna put us in the perpetual 75-85 win window. That does nothing, but just make us "competitive" for most the year.

 

In between is the worst place to be.

In between is the worst place to be.

Can't be worse than last year.

 

Seriously, can't be worse than trying to win and failing badly.

Who do you want to trade that the Sox haven't dealt yet?

I am not just referring to this year, it's the last few years where we clearly have needed to rebuild and get young talent yet KW refuses to do that.

I am not just referring to this year, it's the last few years where we clearly have needed to rebuild and get young talent yet KW refuses to do that.

This is the kind of young talent you get when you trade away people who are expensive and don't have a ton of time before free agency. If you want to get stellar talent, you need to trade away John Danks after the 2008 season or so, when he's got several years left pre-FA.

Can't be worse than last year.

 

Seriously, can't be worse than trying to win and failing badly.

 

Indeed. Not even being close to expectations was pretty crushing.

Can't be worse than last year.

 

That should NEVER be the philosophy of a sport organization that wants to win. But, apparently that seems to be the one Kenny is going with.