lostfan Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What rebels though, everyone there sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 13, 2013 -> 07:26 PM) What rebels though, everyone there sucks I assume John McCain will tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 13, 2013 -> 06:26 PM) What rebels though, everyone there sucks what could possibly go wrong with arming revolutionary islamic militants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Am I wrong or did I read somewhere that the rebels back or support Al Qaeda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) Am I wrong or did I read somewhere that the rebels back or support Al Qaeda? One group did or does. There's multiple forces fighting together against the Syrian government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 13, 2013 -> 10:13 PM) what could possibly go wrong with arming revolutionary islamic militants? It would be easier if there was an example in the relatively recent past, like say within my lifetime for example, where we did this and it went bad so we could see whether to do it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Fareed Zakaria: Stay Out Of Syria from The Dish on Vimeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It has limited confirmation but there are multiple reports pouring out of Syria of a major gas attack today, with hundreds dead. The UN security council is reportedly to hold an emergency session to assess the reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 We better not use this as our excuse to get involved in this mess (we totally will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Saw the video on the news last night. It's graphic. Yeah, that's a major sarin attack and it's hard for that to be anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 01:15 PM) on this we agree wholeheartedly. Edited August 22, 2013 by Reddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 So warplanes are on the move. NK caught trying to smuggle in gas masks and weapons. Russia and China order us not to attack and Iran threatens to attack Israel first if Syria is hit. This will be "fun." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 So warplanes are on the move. NK caught trying to smuggle in gas masks and weapons. Russia and China order us not to attack and Iran threatens to attack Israel first if Syria is hit. This will be "fun." OK, I get that Iran is crazy, but what do Russia and China have to gain by pushing back so hard in defense of a country that just used chemical weapons on its own civilians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) OK, I get that Iran is crazy, but what do Russia and China have to gain by pushing back so hard in defense of a country that just used chemical weapons on its own civilians? They've been an ally and a supporter of Assad for decades. If they suddenly dump him now, what does that say to the rest of their allies? The US/NATO have supported plenty of s***ty regimes in the past, it's all just a part of foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) OK, I get that Iran is crazy, but what do Russia and China have to gain by pushing back so hard in defense of a country that just used chemical weapons on its own civilians? They have always supported Syria, it smacks the US in the face, and odds are the chemical weapons came from Russia or China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 07:09 PM) So warplanes are on the move. NK caught trying to smuggle in gas masks and weapons. Russia and China order us not to attack and Iran threatens to attack Israel first if Syria is hit. This will be "fun." Shouldn't we be working with Russia and China on this? Why are they so adamant about us not attacking? Do they think there's not enough proof of the chemical weapon attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) OK, I get that Iran is crazy, but what do Russia and China have to gain by pushing back so hard in defense of a country that just used chemical weapons on its own civilians? I think Russia is making money because they're providing Assad with weapons. Not sure about China. Probably oil. Edited August 27, 2013 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 01:23 PM) Shouldn't we be working with Russia and China on this? Why are they so adamant about us not attacking? Do they think there's not enough proof of the chemical weapon attacks? They are an ally of Assad. They do not want their ally attacked. We wouldn't our allies attacked, either, even if they were engaging in horrible things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 07:10 AM) We better not use this as our excuse to get involved in this mess (we totally will). What will Russia and China try to do to us if we get involved? They sound upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 They have always supported Syria, it smacks the US in the face, and odds are the chemical weapons came from Russia or China. So then what if we just sit there and let this continue for a while. Then what? Don't people start leaving Syria by the tens of thousands until the country is just about empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) What will Russia and China try to do to us if we get involved? They sound upset. They could readily increase the aid they give to Syria to counter our moves and make it a much bigger bloodbath. They can prevent any international agreement of any sort on action so that there is never a consensus developed against the Assad regime. They can increase their support of other rogue states like North Korea to weaken the U.S. negotiating position with that country. They have even been known to use their supplies, such as oil/gas (russia) or rare minerals (china) as negotiating tools to force other countries to agree to things to avoid economic damage (imagine them cutting off iphone5c exports!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) So then what if we just sit there and let this continue for a while. Then what? Don't people start leaving Syria by the tens of thousands until the country is just about empty? That's already happened, there are millions of refugees. The international community is paying, somewhat, to keep them barely alive. The more of them there are, the more expensive that gets. The other downside of doing nothing is that Assad and the rest of the world really begin to understand that there is no actual consequence to using chemical weapons in a civil war if the west doesn't have an economic interest in the country, and they start being employed and manufactured much more often (also increasing the likelihood they eventually wind up in the hands of terrorists). That and a much more rapid growing body count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 01:28 PM) So then what if we just sit there and let this continue for a while. Then what? Don't people start leaving Syria by the tens of thousands until the country is just about empty? There is already a huge flow of refuges into Turkey and other nearby countries. There's always the possibility that it ends up like Rwanda, the DRC, and other humanitarian crises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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