He never was signed for his batting average.

Well, no s*** Sherlock. This is more for fear of him regressing to the guy who had one of the statistically worst seasons in the history of Major League Baseball just one season ago.

Well, no s*** Sherlock. This is more for fear of him regressing to the guy who had one of the statistically worst seasons in the history of Major League Baseball just one season ago.

That is your f***ing fear not mine sunshine network.

Who cares, If he strikeouts/groundouts/ flyouts.............outs are outs. His HR's, Rbi's, Runs scored and walks more than make up for the K's

 

Not at this K rate. And all outs are not equal. A K is a K aka an automatic out unless the ball gets by the catcher (not like Dunn's slow ass could reach 1B in that situation anyway). When you put the ball in play, there's ALWAYS an opportunity that something could happened to enable you to get on base, drive in a run, etc. There's just no way to spin a 39% K rate into a positive.

If his OPS finishes north of .875, I couldn't care less if his BA is .100 or .300.

That is your f***ing fear not mine sunshine network.

 

He's at .212. You're not at all worried that two weeks from now he could be sitting at .198?

He's at .212. You're not at all worried that two weeks from now he could be sitting at .198?

 

Why on earth are you concerned about a 14 point movement on the least valuable offensive metric available to evaluate this type of hitter?

He's at .212. You're not at all worried that two weeks from now he could be sitting at .198?

"Sunshine Network"

Not at this K rate. And all outs are not equal. A K is a K aka an automatic out unless the ball gets by the catcher (not like Dunn's slow ass could reach 1B in that situation anyway). When you put the ball in play, there's ALWAYS an opportunity that something could happened to enable you to get on base, drive in a run, etc. There's just no way to spin a 39% K rate into a positive.

 

When you put the ball in play, you also have a way of making two outs instead of just 1. You're right - all outs are not equal. GIDPs should be evaluated twice as harshly as strikeouts.

"Sunshine Network"

No s*** Sherlock.

Who cares, If he strikeouts/groundouts/ flyouts.............outs are outs. His HR's, Rbi's, Runs scored and walks more than make up for the K's

The point being, these extra ks are extra outs. Your batting average for balls not put into play is .000. He puts the ball in play 60 more times, he's looking at a .240-260 average with more likely more homers and more RBI. Its not normal for someone to add 60 strikeouts to his typical year, especially since his typical year is close to 200. Its what makes me fear he's really not that far away from falling into a 2011 abyss. Last time he struggled like this, he got very hot. I hope it happens again. I do think the Mendoza line could be a very significant psychological number for him. He drops below it, perhaps flashback time.

If his OPS finishes north of .875, I couldn't care less if his BA is .100 or .300.

It must be pretty statistically impossible for someone to hit .100 with an .875 OPS.

If his OPS finishes north of .875, I couldn't care less if his BA is .100 or .300.

 

It's not gonna happen at this rate. Mark Reynolds holds the record (I believe) for highest K-rate in history at 35.4%. His OPS that year was .753. Dunn is on pace to shatter the K mark. Don't get fooled by the home runs. He's hurting the team right now.

He's at .212. You're not at all worried that two weeks from now he could be sitting at .198?

 

Dunn has gone from .230 to .212 just since June 16. He has a .169 Ave, .309 OBP, .750 OPS for June. Add to that 37 Ks in 22 games, to go along with 7Hr 16 Rbi, and 16 walks.

 

Dude is the truest 3 outcome hitter I have ever heard of.

 

119ks, 58 walks, 23 homers, in 313 PAs. That is 63.9% of plate appearances ending in K, BB, or HR. That is just amazing. It has to be historical.

Why on earth are you concerned about a 14 point movement on the least valuable offensive metric available to evaluate this type of hitter?

 

Dude, I love advanced statistics as much as anyone. But stop. If you're hitting below .200, you're hurting your team more than helping. Dunn has looked like fly-covered s*** for the last month. I'm not sure what's going to happen from this point on. But there's cause for concern.

It has to be historical.

Agreed.

 

Hopefully this is just over-reaction and he nails a fatty to bust the slump and then party time.

The point being, these extra ks are extra outs. Your batting average for balls not put into play is .000. He puts the ball in play 60 more times, he's looking at a .240-260 average with more likely more homers and more RBI. Its not normal for someone to add 60 strikeouts to his typical year, especially since his typical year is close to 200. Its what makes me fear he's really not that far away from falling into a 2011 abyss. Last time he struggled like this, he got very hot. I hope it happens again. I do think the Mendoza line could be a very significant psychological number for him. He drops below it, perhaps flashback time.

If Sox were scoring more than 1 run a game last week or so we would not even be talking about Dunn so much.

Edited June 26, 201213 yr by Soxfest

I'm not sure what's going to happen from this point on. But there's cause for concern.

The exact point of this topic and the poll. Thank you!

It's not gonna happen at this rate. Mark Reynolds holds the record (I believe) for highest K-rate in history at 35.4%. His OPS that year was .753. Dunn is on pace to shatter the K mark. Don't get fooled by the home runs. He's hurting the team right now.

 

At what rate? At this rate his total season OPS appears to be .879.

 

Is it better for us to look at the sample size of the last 2 weeks or the entire season?

White Sox #3 hole OPS is 12th in baseball, not bad, but not $15 million a year good.

Dunn has gone from .230 to .212 just since June 16. He has a .169 Ave, .309 OBP, .750 OPS for June. Add to that 37 Ks in 22 games, to go along with 7Hr 16 Rbi, and 16 walks.

 

Dude is the truest 3 outcome hitter I have ever heard of.

 

119ks, 58 walks, 23 homers, in 313 PAs. That is 63.9% of plate appearances ending in K, BB, or HR. That is just amazing. It has to be historical.

 

Also worth nothing the 7 homers all came in the first two weeks of June (thru 15th). In the last week and a half he has 0HRs and 1RBI. He also has 19Ks over those 9 games, with 3 hits and 8 BBs.

Agreed.

 

Hopefully this is just over-reaction and he nails a fatty to bust the slump and then party time.

 

Hopefully he does shake out of it, but the trend has not been pretty lately.

The point being 2011 will always be on a lot of fans' minds when Dunn starts struggling.

 

And when you're making history with a lack of contact, its pretty fair to wonder............

Edited June 26, 201213 yr by Dick Allen

Dude, I love advanced statistics as much as anyone. But stop. If you're hitting below .200, you're hurting your team more than helping. Dunn has looked like fly-covered s*** for the last month. I'm not sure what's going to happen from this point on. But there's cause for concern.

 

I'm not really concerned if Dunn is hitting .198 or .212. .170 vs. .230 is a huge difference. .198 vs. .212 is not. His stats overall this season are still fine, and if he was hitting .198 instead of .212 with an .850 OPS they'd still be fine overall.

At what rate? At this rate his total season OPS appears to be .879.

 

Is it better for us to look at the sample size of the last 2 weeks or the entire season?

 

Two weeks? He's .159/.293/.415/.708 since may 30. He's whiffed 41 times in his last 82 at bats (99 plate appearances). That's is Sigorney Weaver's face-like scary. We'll see what happens. But get off this as long as Dunn hit 55 HRs stuff. He's not going to do that if he doesn't somewhat cut that K rate down.

I'm not really concerned if Dunn is hitting .198 or .212. .170 vs. .230 is a huge difference. .198 vs. .212 is not. His stats overall this season are still fine, and if he was hitting .198 instead of .212 with an .850 OPS they'd still be fine overall.

 

I said in two weeks. A month from now it could be a lot lower. I do not trust Adam Dunn. Even when he was hot I was scared to declare him "back."