RME JICO Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 After that 17 point win, we are now +59 for the season, which is 2nd best in the AL (TEX) and 3rd in the bigs. Cleveland somehow still has managed a winning record, but is a -36 (worse than KC). To me that seems unsustainable. If we can start winning at home, we are in a great shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Pretty impressive. We also rank 9th in SLG, and 13th in OBP. Our middle infielders are such scrubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Before last night it was +40, which isn't second best, but it is the only positive in the division. Brian Kenny has a CLubhouse Confidential segment about "Run Differential" saying its a better indicator than standings to show how good a real really is, but there are flukes, like the Indians as you pointed out. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_...45&c_id=mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iamshack Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (RME JICO @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 11:16 AM) After that 17 point win, we are now +59 for the season, which is 2nd best in the AL (TEX) and 3rd in the bigs. Cleveland somehow still has managed a winning record, but is a -36 (worse than KC). To me that seems unsustainable. If we can start winning at home, we are in a great shape. Cleveland has that great trio of relievers at the end of their pen that lock down close, tight games for them when they are leading...so they have a lot of close wins, but a lot of larger-margin defeats. Also why they have been so good in 1-run games. I am pretty sure this happened with the 2005 White Sox to some extent. We won a lot of close games due to the success of Cotts, Politte, and Jenks, but we lost a lot of games by several runs at times which brought us back in the Pythagorean. I remember arguing standard deviations with Orioles fans as a reason for why we won so many games that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Alexei Ramirez has been one of our best players the last month. Scrub, he is not. Just for his defense alone, to use the word scrub is pretty much uncalled for. Now if Gordon could worry more about his ridiculous hitch and the inability to hit a high fastball (or lay off it), we might have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Before last night it was +40, which isn't second best, but it is the only positive in the division. Brian Kenny has a CLubhouse Confidential segment about "Run Differential" saying its a better indicator than standings to show how good a real really is, but there are flukes, like the Indians as you pointed out. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_...45&c_id=mlb Yeah, this is why you will see teams on coolstandings with a greater percentage chance to make the playoffs than teams with better records than them. For instance Boston, Tampa, and Toronto all have better chances to make the playoffs than do the Orioles, despite Baltimore being in second place currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 06:38 PM) Alexei Ramirez has been one of our best players the last month. Scrub, he is not. Just for his defense alone, to use the word scrub is pretty much uncalled for. I was only speaking from an offensive standpoint. He's a surefire scrub at the dish, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) I was only speaking from an offensive standpoint. He's a surefire scrub at the dish, bro. Been on fire the last month though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) I was only speaking from an offensive standpoint. He's a surefire scrub at the dish, bro. Even if he's "only" putting up a 600 OPS, he's on a pace for 79 RBI's. How many SS's in the AL will come close to doing that? And he's been a MUCH more dangerous hitter this past month. I don't think he'll be able to get back to 700 or 725 OPS, but 650 is just fine with our line-up. When our biggest problems are Ramirez, Beckham and Viciedo (offensively), that's a nice place to be in. Asdrubal Cabrera he is not...but there's no longer concern about him like there was 4-6 weeks ago, or demands to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 12:47 PM) Been on fire the last month though. .679 OPS in June, plus .944 in July. .866 in the last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 01:05 PM) .679 OPS in June, plus .944 in July. .866 in the last week. Even more impressive... on the season .344 runners on with .809 OPSC, .370 RISP and .854 OPS, RISP 2 outs .313 and .739. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 02:07 PM) Even more impressive... on the season .344 runners on with .809 OPSC, .370 RISP and .854 OPS, RISP 2 outs .313 and .739. Which might tell you that some of his struggles early in the season were simply a lack of mental focus, and that he was ready to step up when a real opportunity presented itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 01:09 PM) Which might tell you that some of his struggles early in the season were simply a lack of mental focus, and that he was ready to step up when a real opportunity presented itself. Which has always been his problem. The guy has no focus. It has plagued him the whole time he has been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) Which has always been his problem. The guy has no focus. It has plagued him the whole time he has been here. Space cadet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) Alexei Ramirez has been one of our best players the last month. Scrub, he is not. Just for his defense alone, to use the word scrub is pretty much uncalled for. Now if Gordon could worry more about his ridiculous hitch and the inability to hit a high fastball (or lay off it), we might have something. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&players=0 He's been pretty bad defensively this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ugh. I get so tired of hearing defensive metrics quoted as if that's the ONLY thing that matters. If you watch this team day after day, you'll know Ramirez has been VERY good this season. Maybe not quite Gold Glove level, as a couple of seasons ago, but very very close. Just like OPS. It's important, no doubt. But a SS putting up 79 RBI's isn't ever going to be a BAD thing, especially when he's one of the best defensively in the entire AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) Ugh. I get so tired of hearing defensive metrics quoted as if that's the ONLY thing that matters. If you watch this team day after day, you'll know Ramirez has been VERY good this season. Maybe not quite Gold Glove level, as a couple of seasons ago, but very very close. Just like OPS. It's important, no doubt. But a SS putting up 79 RBI's isn't ever going to be a BAD thing, especially when he's one of the best defensively in the entire AL. True, but he does lack focus out there sometimes as well as in the batter's box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) Ugh. I get so tired of hearing defensive metrics quoted as if that's the ONLY thing that matters. If you watch this team day after day, you'll know Ramirez has been VERY good this season. Maybe not quite Gold Glove level, as a couple of seasons ago, but very very close. Just like OPS. It's important, no doubt. But a SS putting up 79 RBI's isn't ever going to be a BAD thing, especially when he's one of the best defensively in the entire AL. He hasn't been that great this year though defensively. He has lost a step range wise and isn't getting to as many balls as he should. Sure, he still makes the GG play here and there, but so much of being a great SS is making the normally hard plays look routine. I have been a huge supporter of Alexei, but it's clear he is a bottom five SS this year in the AL. The stats back that up, both defensively and offensively. Jeter wins the GG every year based on naked-eye scouting. People see him make the great plays. But the metrics show he sucks. Edited July 4, 2012 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 After that 17 point win, we are now +59 for the season, which is 2nd best in the AL (TEX) and 3rd in the bigs. Cleveland somehow still has managed a winning record, but is a -36 (worse than KC). To me that seems unsustainable. If we can start winning at home, we are in a great shape. Yesterday is the kind of game that makes me cautious when using run differential to evaluate a team. Once the Sox got ahead by 10 or so, the Rangers weren't going to trot out their best relievers to try and keep the run differential down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) Yesterday is the kind of game that makes me cautious when using run differential to evaluate a team. Once the Sox got ahead by 10 or so, the Rangers weren't going to trot out their best relievers to try and keep the run differential down. This ... and the series against Cleveland where we put a ton of runs on the board. That skewed our runs upward and theirs downward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner10 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 It doesn't matter if he is gold glove quality that award is rigged to go to Jeter year after year even if Alexi does a far superior job a SS than him. I would say we have possible the best defensive infield in the AL because of these "scrubs" I agree Alexi might have lost a step but Gordo is a great 2Bman and both are coming around with the wood. GO SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) Space cadet Not too long after he got here, I called him an ADHD Hummingbird. I stand by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) Yesterday is the kind of game that makes me cautious when using run differential to evaluate a team. Once the Sox got ahead by 10 or so, the Rangers weren't going to trot out their best relievers to try and keep the run differential down. But the idea is this evens out over the course of 162 games. There are plenty of games where the Sox do the same thing and the score is skewed against us. How many runs did Stewart give up to shrink our run differential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) He hasn't been that great this year though defensively. He has lost a step range wise and isn't getting to as many balls as he should. Sure, he still makes the GG play here and there, but so much of being a great SS is making the normally hard plays look routine. I have been a huge supporter of Alexei, but it's clear he is a bottom five SS this year in the AL. The stats back that up, both defensively and offensively. Jeter wins the GG every year based on naked-eye scouting. People see him make the great plays. But the metrics show he sucks. Let's wait til the end of the year to evaluate the defensive metrics. IMO, many of the plays he has failed to make have been routine plays he's botched, not necessarily range-oriented plays. I think as the season goes on, he'll be a bit better. And again, he's clearly on a huge upward trend offensively. He won't be a bottom 5 shortstop offensively when it is all said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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