Knights lost game 1 4-3

Completion of a suspended game from Tuesday

 

Gwinnett @ Knights game 2

Olsen

 

Barons @ Pensacola

Heidenreich AA debut

 

Myrtle Beach @ Dash

Walters

 

Greensboro @ Intimidators

Massive offensive outburst with Devenski on the mound

 

Missoula @ Voyagers

Casey

 

BriSox @ Burlington

Cose started, Hawkins multi-hit game

Charlotte- Gm 1 (Shirek)

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...chraaa_gwiaaa_1

 

Charlotte Gm 2 - Olsen

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...gwiaaa_chraaa_1

 

Birmingham- Heidenreich

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...biraax_penaax_1

 

Winston-Salem- Walters

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...myrafa_wswafa_1

 

Kannapolis- Devenski

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...gboafx_kanafx_1

 

Bristol- Cose

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...brirok_brlrok_1

 

Great Falls- Casey

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...misrok_grfrok_1

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by flavum

Saladino with his second straight homer in two days. And Joey DeMichele is putting on a clinic in Kanny.

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by SoxAce

Jared Mitchell cratering....0/3, 3 K's, .248

 

Hawkins 2/4, 2B, 2 RBI

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by caulfield12

If other teams value Mitchell as an above average prospect, he's easily our #1 trade chip.

Soptic with a nice outing.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if DeMichele ends up in Winston-Salem before the end of the year.

Soptic will be in our bullpen before the end of the year...haha.

 

Why not, the way this season's going?

 

Who needs the veterans? Well, might be singing a different tune in August/September.

If other teams value Mitchell as an above average prospect, he's easily our #1 trade chip.

 

 

And question is, who's our #2? (There's just no way we can trade Nathan Jones with Crain's future uncertain).

 

If you were an opposing GM, surely you wouldn't want to take a risk on Trayce Thompson unless he was the 3rd or 4th player involved.

 

Castro's on the DL now. Molina's stock is way down, Saladino has struggled and could just as easily end up a utility guy or Morel as a starting infielder.

 

Morel would be someone that another team might really be interested in if he was the final piece, as a speculative acquisition.

 

Beck, Barnum and Hawkins aren't going anywhere.

 

Soptic is going to be drawing raves, but he's a reliever and way down in A ball.

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by caulfield12

I know his stuff isn't flashy or overpowering but Heidenreich's development over the past few years has been pretty impressive/fun to follow, maybe it's the fact that he's a 6'5" Socal kid but he kind of reminds me of Jon Garland. Does anyone know what he throws? Does he feature a sinker? He should definitely consider adding that to his repertoire with his size and build.

Speaking of Garland, does anyone know how his comeback is going, if at all?

 

I saw where the Indians signed him in the spring, then he didn't take a physical. Know that he had surgery last year....or a season ending injury with the Dodgers.

 

Would be a no-risk pickup for Charlotte, if he wants to pitch again, and needed insurance for another injury.

Kyle Hansen is in the Bristol box score, but facing zero batters. Odd. Hopefully he didn't get hurt warming up or something.

 

Joey DeMichelle 4-6 with a 2B, 3 runs, 3 RBI tonight, see ya later Gordon Beckham.

Joey DeMichelle 4-6 with a 2B, 3 runs, 3 RBI tonight, see ya later Gordon Beckham.

Ha I was just wondering tonight how long it would take for someone to make a comment like this. This was definitely the under in my mind.

Ha I was just wondering tonight how long it would take for someone to make a comment like this. This was definitely the under in my mind.

 

Of course I'm being sarcastic

And question is, who's our #2? (There's just no way we can trade Nathan Jones with Crain's future uncertain).

 

If you were an opposing GM, surely you wouldn't want to take a risk on Trayce Thompson unless he was the 3rd or 4th player involved.

 

Castro's on the DL now. Molina's stock is way down, Saladino has struggled and could just as easily end up a utility guy or Morel as a starting infielder.

 

Morel would be someone that another team might really be interested in if he was the final piece, as a speculative acquisition.

Beck, Barnum and Hawkins aren't going anywhere.

Soptic is going to be drawing raves, but he's a reliever and way down in A ball.

 

And for good reason. They can't be traded for a year.

Heidenreich has to be at or very near the top of our revised prospect list.

Heidenreich has to be at or very near the top of our revised prospect list.

He's not, nor even close.

 

Age vs level is very kind to Heidenreich, and he is having a nice season. Control has been excellent all year. But he doesn't miss many bats, gives up a lot of home runs, and his secondary stuff is average or below (and a low 90's sinking fastball by itself won't project well). Definitely a guy to watch, but he needs to improve his secondary stuff and strike out more batters to be considered, say, a Top 10 prospect in this system.

 

He's not, nor even close.

 

Age vs level is very kind to Heidenreich, and he is having a nice season. Control has been excellent all year. But he doesn't miss many bats, gives up a lot of home runs, and his secondary stuff is average or below (and a low 90's sinking fastball by itself won't project well). Definitely a guy to watch, but he needs to improve his secondary stuff and strike out more batters to be considered, say, a Top 10 prospect in this system.

Wow! Not top ten? I'm surprised. First, I respect your opinion, having read many of your posts over the years. And. of course, I have never seen him with my own eyes. All I have to go on is his record and recent box scores. Maybe I put more emphasis on age than I should, but to me that is part of the definition of a 'prospect'. He is 21, signed out of high school, etc. and now he is doing well in AA. He certainly appears to be improving, also part of the definition. I might not put enough emphasis on hits per innings, but I'm sure that as he advances in the system, he will get better defenses behind him, eliminating many hits allowed. I'm sure he has better defenses in W-S and B'ham than he had at Kanny last year. Of course, the hitters are better, too, I know. In 2011 he gave up 174 hits in 154 innings, but that's a lot of innings for a 20 year old, previous high being half that. He is probably higher ranked now than Quintana was a year ago, and he (JQ) has been off the charts since joining the Sox. Anyway, I'm pulling for him to do well.

Wow! Not top ten? I'm surprised. First, I respect your opinion, having read many of your posts over the years. And. of course, I have never seen him with my own eyes. All I have to go on is his record and recent box scores. Maybe I put more emphasis on age than I should, but to me that is part of the definition of a 'prospect'. He is 21, signed out of high school, etc. and now he is doing well in AA. He certainly appears to be improving, also part of the definition. I might not put enough emphasis on hits per innings, but I'm sure that as he advances in the system, he will get better defenses behind him, eliminating many hits allowed. I'm sure he has better defenses in W-S and B'ham than he had at Kanny last year. Of course, the hitters are better, too, I know. In 2011 he gave up 174 hits in 154 innings, but that's a lot of innings for a 20 year old, previous high being half that. He is probably higher ranked now than Quintana was a year ago, and he (JQ) has been off the charts since joining the Sox. Anyway, I'm pulling for him to do well.

Quintana was barely on the charts in our pre-season list (in the "others" list), so yeah, Heidenreich today is probably more highly considered than Quintana was then. You do sometimes end up with a bolt from the blue, or organizations see something in a specific pitcher or player that we don't see in stats, scouting reports, info leaking from the organization in some form, and videos. Heidenreich might be that guy.

 

But Hiedenreich isn't really "doing well in AA" yet - he pitched one game. Need to have a lot more sample size than that to really see something. And if you want to look granularly at that particular outing, look at his line in the box: he pitched 8 innings of 6 hit ball, which is good... but he gave up a home run and struck out 2. Some in some ways, that is a mircocosm of both the strengths and weaknesses he has shown so far.

 

Let's look at scenarios here. If Matt manages to not only be successful in terms of core stats, but also increases his strikeouts, I can see him quickly jumping up into the rankings on the offseason list. If he gets decent core results but still isn't missing many bats, he will probably show up on the list, but not real high. If he struggles, then it is a "we'll see" scenario. That's my view anyway. And that's just the stat component - more important, and info harder to find, is, has he improved his secondary stuff?

 

This is all very, very subjective of course. And there is a balance between ceiling, likely impact, and likely floor. And between starters and relievers. And what level they've shown success at, including in some cases major leagues. Look at some of the pitchers that some see as better, and decide if you see him higher on the list: Simon Castro, Nestor Molina, Dylan Axelrod, Pedro Hernandez, Charlie Leesman, Chris Beck, Andre Rienzo, Jake Petricka, Erik Johnson, Leyson Septimo, Jeff Soptic, Jefferson Olacio... the list goes on, and those are just pitchers. Does a guy like Septimo, who is a specialist reliever, have more value since he's shown success at all levels and now (so far) in the majors? Versus a starter like Heidenreich, but who is a much bigger question of whether he can even make it?

 

Yeah, Heidenreich is a nice prospect, but his stuff and K rate don't wow anyone so he's not going to vault up the list anytime soon.

Didn't Heidenreich have some kind of knee issues when he was drafted? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Didn't Heidenreich have some kind of knee issues when he was drafted? Or am I thinking of someone else?

That would be news to me and would be odd for a high school kid taken in the 4th round, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. BA's draft day scouting report doesn't mention it, but they also only had a short report on him.

That would be news to me and would be odd for a high school kid taken in the 4th round, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. BA's draft day scouting report doesn't mention it, but they also only had a short report on him.

We took a kid from a Texas HS, hard thrower with poor knees, in about the 4th or 5th round. Not Heidenreich, let me see if I can find it, something like Niedenfeur??

 

Matthew J Nachreiner, 5th rounder in 2003 is who I bet he is thinking of.

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by MnSoxFan

That name doesn't really ring a bell, but I'll take your word on it. The only knee injury I could find was a 15th rounder in 09 out of a Florida HS, Dane Williams, but the Sox didn't sign him.

That name doesn't ring a bell. The only knee injury I could find was a 15th rounder in 09 out of a Florida HS, Dane Williams, but the Sox didn't sign him.

 

Pretty sure it is Nachreiner, had some physical problem with his knee, being degenerative. Scared all the clubs off, Sox decided to give it a try. He did not last too long if I recall.