Poor crowd. Peavy choked in a big game yet again. Hitting approach was awful. Everything went 0-2 on us tonight. Bullpen wasn't great either though when you use 100 different pitchers someone is bound to screw up.

 

 

And Robin Ventura...Oh boy. Can't wait to read through the gamethread's thoughts on him.

Poor crowd. Peavy choked in a big game yet again. Hitting approach was awful. Everything went 0-2 on us tonight. Bullpen wasn't great either though when you use 100 different pitchers someone is bound to screw up.

 

 

And Robin Ventura...Oh boy. Can't wait to read through the gamethread's thoughts on him.

6 innings, 3 runs is not choking. Especially given the fact that the Tigers have a good offense (and Peavy has been used like a whore in amsterdamn). It isn't dominating but it certainly isn't choking. How about the offense for failing to deliver and the bullpen for really s***ting the bed in the 8th (plus Youk/RV for the failed bunt).

I was fine with Peavy's effort. He more or less dominated with the exception of their two best hitters getting to him once each. I would have hoped for about one more inning, but that wasn't in the cards.

Peavy needed to have another inning.

I would have been much less angry had we lost 3-2...then we gave them the game on a platter...

 

I've never been this angry about the decisions of a coach or manager at any level of sports, even ones I was personally involved in.

I was fine with Peavy's effort. He more or less dominated with the exception of their two best hitters getting to him once each. I would have hoped for about one more inning, but that wasn't in the cards.

 

He really has turned into Javy Vazquez, hasn't he I swear the same few sentences used to be written about Javy on here.

He really has turned into Javy Vazquez, hasn't he I swear the same few sentences used to be written about Javy on here.

 

Javy had one of the top 5 fWAR for pitchers from 2000-2010 IIRC

 

As far as managing, the only thing that bothers me is the Liriano move as that was clearly a failed experiment. I know why we used him there but it doesn't look good when it goes that poorly.

Javy had one of the top 5 fWAR for pitchers from 2000-2010 IIRC

 

As far as managing, the only thing that bothers me is the Liriano move as that was clearly a failed experiment. I know why we used him there but it doesn't look good when it goes that poorly.

 

So you were fine with bunting with Youk? And as for Javy, he's probably the most notorious big game choker in the last two decades in the majors.

Javy had one of the top 5 fWAR for pitchers from 2000-2010 IIRC

 

As far as managing, the only thing that bothers me is the Liriano move as that was clearly a failed experiment. I know why we used him there but it doesn't look good when it goes that poorly.

That bunt didn't bother you? Not even Ozzie who loves the bunt would do that.

YOUK is a notorious fastball hitter.

 

You just don't have him bunt there, you don't.

 

Just look at his home splits vs. road splits for further evidence.

 

 

I'm starting to miss Guillen, lol. And he's starting to miss Twitter and being relevant.

I don't actually MISS Ozzie, actually, Just a manager who we could trust to more consistently make sound baseball decisions down the stretch run.

Just got home from the game. While Robin did have an awful game with the Liriano/Youk decisions, I would like to add that Leyland had just as bad of a game managing, but he was lucky enough to win.

 

1. He had Dirks bunt, which took the bat out of Cabrera's hands, which set up the Fielder/Veal matchup. I called it from the second Dirks squared up.

2. Why take out Fister after only 99 pitches ofpur e domination?

 

Tigers won, so no one cares, but he had some head scratchers too.

 

This post in no way absolves Robin of the Youkilis bunting call. Awful, awful, awful, no matter how you look at it.

Just got home from the game. While Robin did have an awful game with the Liriano/Youk decisions, I would like to add that Leyland had just as bad of a game managing, but he was lucky enough to win.

 

1. He had Dirks bunt, which took the bat out of Cabrera's hands, which set up the Fielder/Veal matchup. I called it from the second Dirks squared up.

2. Why take out Fister after only 99 pitches ofpur e domination?

 

Tigers won, so no one cares, but he had some head scratchers too.

 

This post in no way absolves Robin of the Youkilis bunting call. Awful, awful, awful, no matter how you look at it.

 

 

Nice Brian Anderson/Greatest American Hero Bobblehead

 

I know, I know...just looks like him, or David Letterman, not sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 innings, 3 runs is not choking. Especially given the fact that the Tigers have a good offense (and Peavy has been used like a whore in amsterdamn). It isn't dominating but it certainly isn't choking. How about the offense for failing to deliver and the bullpen for really s***ting the bed in the 8th (plus Youk/RV for the failed bunt).

 

ERA 4.00 against division rival = choking. This would apply to Chris Sale as well. The Peavy Kool-Aid should be empty by now. He would have made a better Cub.

Also momentum doesn't exist in Sox vocabulary.

 

Not choking =

ERA 4.00 against division rival = choking. This would apply to Chris Sale as well. The Peavy Kool-Aid should be empty by now. He would have made a better Cub.

Also momentum doesn't exist in Sox vocabulary.

 

Sox have lost 5 straight starts by Peavy against the Tigers. He didn't pitch terrible against them tonight, but just once, you'd like to see him just dominate in a big game and not pitch just poorly enough to lose.

Not choking =

 

If he would have gone 7 innings, 2 runs tonight like Fister, no one would have said he pitched poorly.

Winning 6-0 at home, then him and Ohman giving up 7 runs in the top of the 6th, THAT's choking.

 

We still had a GOOD shot to win this game if not for BAD BAD BAD managing once again.

If he would have gone 7 innings, 2 runs tonight like Fister, no one would have said he pitched poorly.

 

 

That would be a 2.57 ERA for the game.

 

The problem was extending the bullpen so far out because of the elevated pitch counts.

Lots of rumors Dunn's going to try and play tomorrow. I hope he's not rushing his return again. With that said, you have to stack the lineup with as many lefties as possible. I'm not optimistic about Gavin tomorrow, as you have to wonder how he'll have any feel for his curve. Hopefully there's not too big of a meltdown on here if the Sox lose tomorrow, as the match-up is clearly in the Tigers favor. If they lose tomorrow and go on to win Thursday, it's a successful series.

Nice Brian Anderson/Greatest American Hero Bobblehead

 

I know, I know...just looks like him, or David Letterman, not sure.

 

The outfit is what makes the bobblehead

Youk is 2-32 vs the Tigers in a White Sox jersey. Fastballs in, offspeed pitches low and away every single AB.

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by fathom

Sox have lost 5 straight starts by Peavy against the Tigers. He didn't pitch terrible against them tonight, but just once, you'd like to see him just dominate in a big game and not pitch just poorly enough to lose.

 

You could probably say that about everyone on the staff. Aces bring confidence on the field. If they have to, they win the game on their own. Peavy has yet to dominate in a big game in his career or win one. He's been the worst acquisition of the Williams era is you want to go with $$$ per appearance. He's lost 11 games. The hype was big when he was on the DL.

 

Youk is 2-32 vs the Tigers in a White Sox jersey. Fastballs in, offspeed pitches low and away every single AB.

 

It would be interesting to see how that's compared when he was with Boston.

 

In the spirit of Robin's decision-making abilities tonight, I think we should start Jose Quintana again tomorrow.

It would be interesting to see how that's compared when he was with Boston.

 

 

5/52 this season against DETROIT, for BOTH Sox teams....so struggling

 

HOWEVER:

 

2009-2011

14/50, 4 doubles, 5 RBI, .280, 838 OPS

 

2008

10/29, 4 doubles, 4 homers, 11 RBI, .345, 1.291 OPS

 

2007

7/19, 2B, 1 homer, 4 RBI's, .368, 942 OPS

 

UNTIL THIS SEASON, 2007-2011

31/89 (.348), 9 doubles, 5 HR, 20 RBI's, BIG TIME OPS

 

 

10 years ago, you would have said there was a curse on the Red Sox/White Sox...so what's the cause this year?

 

Just facing the likes of Scherzer and Verlander repeatedly and being overmatched?

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by caulfield12