Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan

 

Gimenez (visa issue) expected Friday.

 

 

Chuck Garfien Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien

 

Rick Hahn says there will be no restrictions on Chris Sale this season. "We enter this year like he's any other starter."

Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

 

Hahn endorses Reed but leaves opening for other closer options on roster

 

Hahn saya Sox continuing to talk to other clubs

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan

 

Danks threw off mound monday. his first official session 14th.

Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox

 

Snodgress and Erik Johnson not expected to make roster but already have Cooper's attention after first day.

 

Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

 

Snodgress, Johnson could get starts before March 1

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN

 

Starting on March 1, #WhiteSox pitchers in order: Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Jake Peavy, John Danks and Gavin Floyd.

Still no update on the roster numbers on the Sox site, but it looks like Phegley got 36 and Bryan Anderson is 39.

 

Didn't see a 37 hanging between 36 and 38. They're not making Thornton change for Thigpen, are they?

 

It would appear Flowers changed his number as well. Not 17 anymore.

 

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Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

 

When asked who should start opening day, Peavy didn't pause in saying that Sale is the best pitcher in the Sox's rotation.

Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

 

When asked who should start opening day, Peavy didn't pause in saying that Sale is the best pitcher in the Sox's rotation.

 

Pretty sure at Soxfest, they asked them both this. Sale said Peavy, Peavy said Sale.

Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin

 

To answer a common question, Cooper and the White Sox view Santiago as more of a reliever than starter right now.

Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin

 

To answer a common question, Cooper and the White Sox view Santiago as more of a reliever than starter right now.

 

DUMB.

 

Have him start in Charlotte if you're not gonna give him a chance to crack the rotation.

I've never had any problem with that. I've changed my tone a bit in believing that he could make it as a starter, but I believe he would be incredibly streaky as a starting pitcher, depending entirely upon the effectiveness of that screwball. As a reliever, he can light it up to about 95 and then the screwball (so long as hitters don't wait on it, like Cespedes did last year) it can be extremely effective.

I've never had any problem with that. I've changed my tone a bit in believing that he could make it as a starter, but I believe he would be incredibly streaky as a starting pitcher, depending entirely upon the effectiveness of that screwball. As a reliever, he can light it up to about 95 and then the screwball (so long as hitters don't wait on it, like Cespedes did last year) it can be extremely effective.

 

Yeah, his screwball is a good weapon because it looks different, but it doesn't have near enough movement to be a reliable swing-and-miss offering. It will be very effective if he uses it only about 10% of the time -- it's value is in its surprise.

I've never had any problem with that. I've changed my tone a bit in believing that he could make it as a starter, but I believe he would be incredibly streaky as a starting pitcher, depending entirely upon the effectiveness of that screwball. As a reliever, he can light it up to about 95 and then the screwball (so long as hitters don't wait on it, like Cespedes did last year) it can be extremely effective.

I actually checked this, there was basically no change on his fastball between starting and relieving last year. He didn't gain any velocity in the pen or lose any when he was starting. Yeah, maybe that changes if you try to throw him 230 innings, but we haven't seen any evidence of him throwing harder from the pen.

 

What we really saw was that Santiago struggled more with the control of his offspeed stuff out of the pen. People could sit back and hammer it because he couldn't keep it down.

I actually checked this, there was basically no change on his fastball between starting and relieving last year. He didn't gain any velocity in the pen or lose any when he was starting. Yeah, maybe that changes if you try to throw him 230 innings, but we haven't seen any evidence of him throwing harder from the pen.

 

What we really saw was that Santiago struggled more with the control of his offspeed stuff out of the pen. People could sit back and hammer it because he couldn't keep it down.

 

Looking at his minor league stats, I don't think it matters whether he throws from the rotation or the bullpen, he's going to be erratic with his control right now. He was pretty much right around 4 BB/9 no matter whether starting or relieving in the minors, and using 4 games started in the majors as any indication that he has better control as a starting pitcher brings about sample size issues.

 

(FYI, 5.1 BB/9 in 4 games started in the majors last year)

 

So, whether or not he struggled with the control of his offspeed stuff (which is an incredibly small sample size) or what have you, his control was worse starting. Allowing him to relieve reduces the tendency for him to miss spots and allows him to exert more.

 

I think they started him in the minors like how they started Nate Jones in the minors - all about getting more experience. I think he could be an absolute shut down lefty reliever, given time.

The translation of that quote is "Right now Santiago is behind Q on the depth chart, but we realize he's a Major League pitcher, so we're not going to dick him around and pretend he's a Charlotte Knight."

Organization offered Ventura 1 year extension but he turned it down. Ok then.

 

Story.

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Organization offered Ventura 1 year extension but he turned it down. Ok then.

 

Story.

 

Well that makes me pretty confident there will be a new White Sox manager in 2015.

 

Unless they win a title... which even still.

Organization offered Ventura 1 year extension but he turned it down. Ok then.

 

Story.

 

I really like the fact that we have a manager who isn't obsessed with "respect" aka money. It allows the focus to stay on the field, where it belongs.

I have conflicting feelings about Ventura as a manager. You can't help but like him as a person, but do we really want a 45-year-old manager that would turn down a contract extension?

 

Just win, man.

I have conflicting feelings about Ventura as a manager. You can't help but like him as a person, but do we really want a 45-year-old manager that would turn down a contract extension?

 

Just win, man.

 

Its all about the product on the field. This actually looked like a baseball team for the last season. They could do things like hit the cutoff man and run the bases.

Its all about the product on the field. This actually looked like a baseball team for the last season. They could do things like hit the cutoff man and run the bases.

 

And they made mistakes too. They stuck with Morel too long, especially when he was batting 2nd. And Dunn can't be a 3-hitter for a winning team.

 

I'm not going to knock Ventura for one season of managing, but I have no idea if he's a good manager yet. It all seems like a "college of coaches" scenario, with Robin doing the pre- and postgame media sessions.

 

I just don't feel like he's the guy in control yet. And when he turns down a contract extension, I have to question how much he wants to do this. Truthfully, I'd rather have Mark Parent managing since he paid his dues in the minors, and has a good reputation.

Or could it just be that he wanted more of a guarantee than 1 year? Maybe he wants a real vote of confidence. Had he turned down a 3 year extension, then I'd be more worried. As is, I could care less about that.

Well we have no idea what the financial terms were, just that he was offered another year and turned it down.

 

I wouldn't be reading that much into this if his whole hiring wasn't so freakin' weird and unorthodox. I hope he stays but, if McEwing sticks around till 2015, I won't shed a tear for Robin if he wants to leave.

IF RV is winning games contract will take care of itself.............If Sox do not win I see RV gone in 2 yrs.

And they made mistakes too. They stuck with Morel too long, especially when he was batting 2nd. And Dunn can't be a 3-hitter for a winning team.

 

I'm not going to knock Ventura for one season of managing, but I have no idea if he's a good manager yet. It all seems like a "college of coaches" scenario, with Robin doing the pre- and postgame media sessions.

 

I just don't feel like he's the guy in control yet. And when he turns down a contract extension, I have to question how much he wants to do this. Truthfully, I'd rather have Mark Parent managing since he paid his dues in the minors, and has a good reputation.

 

All teams make mistakes. Both of those situations didn't come with better solutions.