He's probably the highest value piece that we should actually want to trade.

 

Please discuss.

He's probably the highest value piece that we should actually want to trade.

 

Please discuss.

 

 

I would never advocate just dumping him but I am a big fan of selling high on young closers.

I will first propose the idea (which will immediately be crapped on) that the Sox check in on a Reed deal where they acquire prospects and take back a good player on a large salary but short-term deal in order to gain a better package. Charge a team for Reed + payroll flexibility.

 

I also think with Reed you have the potential (especially if you're taking back $$$) to get back 4-5 guys who aren't on any top-100 prospect lists but do have lots of ability/are lower in the minors. When we sent Hudson to AZ we sent Holmberg too, and I'm thinking you ask for something like a Holmberg type, a Montas type from the Peavy deal, several players like that. That's one thing Beane likes to do, I think he got Chris Carter from us after playing at the A+ level.

^Here I'm, proposing buying a prospect or 2 with payroll space rather than a FA BTW

My ideal framework:

 

Reed + maybe smaller piece/prospect for Large 1-2yr remaining salary we can fit into payroll + 4 guys in A+ or below all of which have real ability.

My ideal framework:

 

Reed + maybe smaller piece/prospect for Large 1-2yr remaining salary we can fit into payroll + 4 guys in A+ or below all of which have real ability.

 

What the hell does this trade actually provide to the Sox in value?

 

So trade a proven MLB relief pitcher making league minimum and another prospect, for four guys in A ball and an expensive, probably unwanted, veteran contract?

 

*vomit*

I figured my idea would immediately get crapped on. Instead I get vomit. Close anyway. Different holes though.

Edited December 11, 201312 yr by The Ultimate Champion

I figured my idea would immediately get crapped on. Instead I get vomit. Close anyway. Different holes though.

 

 

Your idea is the equivelent to vomit that was eaten by a ferril animal, subjected to a digestive cycle, and then shat back out.

What team is going to give you 4 highly talented players in A ball for Addison Reed? I figure you'd be lucky to get 2.

I have a feeling his value isn't as high as we expect. Closer is a position that you tend to benefit most by trading at the deadline when somebody really, really, really needs one

Your idea is the equivelent to vomit that was eaten by a ferril animal, subjected to a digestive cycle, and then shat back out.

Thanks man. I appreciate that a lot.

I think the real question is how many playoff caliber teams currently have a closer worse than Reed(not that I think Reed is bad)? And what is the price of acquiring Reed vs simply singing Balfour or Benoit to a short term contract?

 

What about packaging Reed and De Aza to the Yankees? That could easily net us Sanchez + a couple of other prospects.

I think the real question is how many playoff caliber teams currently have a closer worse than Reed(not that I think Reed is bad)? And what is the price of acquiring Reed vs simply singing Balfour or Benoit to a short term contract?

 

What about packaging Reed and De Aza to the Yankees? That could easily net us Sanchez + a couple of other prospects.

 

I agree entirely with the first part. I'd much rather spend $8-10-12 million on a closer than give up prospects for one.

 

On the second one, refer to your first thought. Also, the last thing the Yankees need is another outfielder.

In an effort to keep it simple, trade Reed for either a catcher or 3B. If the Sox need to add a player(s) from the minors to complete a deal then fine.

 

As for Reeds value, not sure exactly what he's worth but its enough to build a trade around to fill a hole.

He's probably the highest value piece that we should actually want to trade.

 

Please discuss.

I am always on board with trading relief pitchers if you can get good value back.

Thanks man. I appreciate that a lot.

 

Heh. I hope you could tell by the level and tone of insult that I was being a jag for comedy's sake.

Deal De Aza, Viciedo, Reed, Beckham, and Ramirez for the best returns possible regardless of position.

Heh. I hope you could tell by the level and tone of insult that I was being a jag for comedy's sake.

So the vomit wasn't real is what you're saying? If this is true, might you possibly consider hopping aboard the "Trade Reed" bandwagon? I'll be driving - stupidly and drunk, but not like it matters, it's only oxen for f***s sake. When they stop to drink you just bust an empty bottle over your head & stab one of em with it.

Deal De Aza, Viciedo, Reed, Beckham, and Ramirez for the best returns possible regardless of position.

Take out Viciedo & I wholeheartedly agree.

Take out Viciedo & I wholeheartedly agree.

 

Can't do it because he's the one guy some team might overpay for.

Can't do it because he's the one guy some team might overpay for.

 

I don't think that's the case at all.

Deal De Aza, Viciedo, Reed, Beckham, and Ramirez for the best returns possible regardless of position.

 

Take out Viciedo & I wholeheartedly agree.

I agree with you TUC. If 2014 is going to be a transitional year, Viciedo is exactly the type of player you give 600+ PAs to.

 

As for the other guys, I definitely think De Aza needs to moved this offseason and that Ramirez, Beckham, & Reed should all be heavily shopped. However, I think you wait until the trade deadline to move them if you don't get solid offers right now.

Let's get Nestor Molina!

I will first propose the idea (which will immediately be crapped on) that the Sox check in on a Reed deal where they acquire prospects and take back a good player on a large salary but short-term deal in order to gain a better package. Charge a team for Reed + payroll flexibility.

 

I also think with Reed you have the potential (especially if you're taking back $$$) to get back 4-5 guys who aren't on any top-100 prospect lists but do have lots of ability/are lower in the minors. When we sent Hudson to AZ we sent Holmberg too, and I'm thinking you ask for something like a Holmberg type, a Montas type from the Peavy deal, several players like that. That's one thing Beane likes to do, I think he got Chris Carter from us after playing at the A+ level.

 

 

Well, it depends on the player and the salary we're adding.

 

Essentially, you're looking to improve on our 2016 and beyond teams by adding prospects because we have more payroll flexibility than probably 20 other teams.

 

In theory, that's fine, but you better be right on those players if you're committing $5-15 million to a player (or players) that aren't part of our long-term plans. (Since we're just now getting out from under the Rios/Dunn/Keppinger/Danks deals...and Danks might be an issue for another 3 years).

 

It's certainly a better idea than paying through the teeth for a Curtis Granderson AND losing a pretty high draft pick to boot.

 

On the other hand, we're not the Dodgers, Angels or Yankees, either.

I agree with you TUC. If 2014 is going to be a transitional year, Viciedo is exactly the type of player you give 600+ PAs to.

 

As for the other guys, I definitely think De Aza needs to moved this offseason and that Ramirez, Beckham, & Reed should all be heavily shopped. However, I think you wait until the trade deadline to move them if you don't get solid offers right now.

 

 

None of those players are irreplaceable, with the possible exception of an All-Star caliber offensive explosion from Viciedo.

 

Give Viciedo one more season. Period. His value is too low right now.

 

 

Reed, you deal him if you're bowled over and give the closer's spot to Jones/Lindstrom/Belisario/Webb.

 

 

Beckham, DeAza, Ramirez are probably holds until mid-season, when you have a better idea where Leury Garcia and especially Semien fit into the long-term plans. With the acquisition of Adam Eaton, Micah Johnson's going to have to make the White Sox at 2B in all likelihood. He's never going to have a big enough bat for one of the corner outfield spots. (Then again, that never stopped them with Pods and Pierre).

 

You also need to give the vaunted Keppinger/Gillaspie platoon at least one more half season to work out before you pull the trigger and can pick up a significant upgrade at that position.

Edited December 12, 201312 yr by caulfield12