White Sox sign Ervin Santana would have been the greatest thread in Soxtalk history.

Great for us & Marty, absolute torture for the rest of this board. God I hope we sign this guy.

Hold your horses, hot shot. Bragging rights would totally depend on the price anyway. ESPECIALLY since an unnamed someone would have been fine with 4/$44M. If we get Santana for 2/$16M or something ridiculous like that, that person definitely doesn't get bragging rights.

Edited February 7, 201412 yr by ScottyDo

Hold your horses, hot shot. Bragging rights would totally depend on the price anyway. ESPECIALLY since an unnamed someone would have been fine with 4/$44M. If we get Santana for 2/$16M or something ridiculous like that, that person definitely doesn't get bragging rights.

 

He's certainly running out of suitors with Arroyo going to the D'Backs. Hilarious he was asking for 100 million when free agency began.

Arroyo to DBacks for 2/23.5 w team option for 3rd year + some type of buyout $ I'm sure + incentive $. Most likely at least 2/25 by the time its all said and done.

 

That would have been a really bad deal for the White Sox, and I personally will eat crow for suggesting (before I realized he is 37, because he has been baseball's most durable pitcher for the last 3-5 years. My bad. Bad deal for the DBacks, who just pushed Archie Bradley out of the rotation.

 

That means Ervin Santana is going to cost a 2nd rd pick AND minimum 2/28 w option for 3rd year (buyout of at least $2 million). So he's at cheapest/shortest 2/30, most likely with incentive $ that means if he is good his salary goes up. Ideally the White Sox would want him at 3 years, to have 1-2 years of him when we are competitive. 3 years/$42 million is the cheapest he is coming, and that's without a buyout or incentives that there are sure to be. I don't see a good deal for the White Sox here, so I officially change my mind to NO on all remaining SP FAs.

Arroyo to DBacks for 2/23.5 w team option for 3rd year + some type of buyout $ I'm sure + incentive $. Most likely at least 2/25 by the time its all said and done.

 

That would have been a really bad deal for the White Sox, and I personally will eat crow for suggesting (before I realized he is 37, because he has been baseball's most durable pitcher for the last 3-5 years. My bad. Bad deal for the DBacks, who just pushed Archie Bradley out of the rotation.

 

That means Ervin Santana is going to cost a 2nd rd pick AND minimum 2/28 w option for 3rd year (buyout of at least $2 million). So he's at cheapest/shortest 2/30, most likely with incentive $ that means if he is good his salary goes up. Ideally the White Sox would want him at 3 years, to have 1-2 years of him when we are competitive. 3 years/$42 million is the cheapest he is coming, and that's without a buyout or incentives that there are sure to be. I don't see a good deal for the White Sox here, so I officially change my mind to NO on all remaining SP FAs.

 

Bradley will pitch at some point this year. McCarthy will get hurt plus there are always moves that can be made

Watching Santana's fastball get launched out of the park while he earns a large salary would have not made me happy....

Santana is too inconsistent and overrated for my liking. Don't bring him near this team.

I hope he signs with either KC, Minny, Cleveland, or Detroit.

I hope he signs with either KC, Minny, Cleveland, or Detroit.

Couldn't agree more.

I hope he signs with either KC, Minny, Cleveland, or Detroit.

I hope he signs with either KC, Minny, Cleveland, or Detroit.

 

 

Yes. Let's see OUR hitters send his mediocre stuff out of the park, not other hitters sending it out against us.

Yes. Let's see OUR hitters send his mediocre stuff out of the park, not other hitters sending it out against us.

SANTANA IS A MEDIOCRE RECEIVER AT BEST.

Edited February 8, 201412 yr by Jose Abreu

SANTANA IS A MEDIOCRE RECEIVER AT BEST.

 

Much better guitar player.

Much better guitar player.

Maybe in his prime, but his most recent stuff felt boring and derivative.

SANTANA IS A MEDIOCRE RECEIVER AT BEST.

 

He was better than medicore at his prime, but at this age I agree 100% about Moss.

What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason and we could receive a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

Edited February 11, 201412 yr by chisoxfan310

What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason for a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

 

When was the last time the White Sox signed a player to a 1 year deal and dealt him at the deadline? The last one I can seriously remember is Kenny Lofton.

When was the last time the White Sox signed a player to a 1 year deal and dealt him at the deadline? The last one I can seriously remember is Kenny Lofton.

 

They've never really been in a position to. They usually are competitive and not in a position to. 07 for example, they were bad but in 08 they were competitive again. I can't remember if we signed anyone in 08 to one year deals, but we were competitive and we didn't really need to rebuild and flip players.

They've never really been in a position to. They usually are competitive and not in a position to. 07 for example, they were bad but in 08 they were competitive again. I can't remember if we signed anyone in 08 to one year deals, but we were competitive and we didn't really need to rebuild and flip players.

 

That's true too. Still, there's no point in risking it. You spend $13 million on Santana (or $10 or anything) and then you hope he comes out and has a good year. If he doesn't, you eat the cost and don't get anything.

What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason and we could receive a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

 

I think there is zero chance Santana ends up settling for a one year deal after seeing the contract that Arroyo got. Plus is what Santana brings back in a trade really going to be better than the 2nd round pick the Sox have this year plus the $6-$8 million they would have had to pay him for his 4 months service?

The Sox are much less likely to sign a guy connected to a draft pick compensation to a one year deal, than a four year deal. You get much more out of your investment to give up a pick with a long term deal, versus what you need to go right to get it out of a one year deal.

The Sox were never considering signing any compensatory guy to any deal other than McCann.

I would agree with this.

 

Absolutely true, straight from the GMs mouth.

Absolutely true, straight from the GMs mouth.

 

And no matter how many times Hahn says it and no matter how many times poster on here say it, certain people just can't get it through their heads and still expect the Sox to sign one of them.

Chris Cotillo straight up says "it's not going to happen" and the response is "oh look, it might happen!"