March 12, 201412 yr It's March 12, 2019.... predict what all these young guys will end up looking on this date (regardless of what team they happen to be playing on). Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu Keon Barnum Rangel Ravelo Marcus Semien Micah Johnson Carlos Sanchez Leury Garcia Clelius Rondon Connor Gillaspie Matt Davidson Trey Michalscaweersdfski Avisail Garcia Dayan Viciedo Adam Eaton Jordan Danks Jared Mitchell Trayce Thompson Keenyn Walker Adam Engel Jacob May --- Chris Sale Jose Quintana Erik Johnson Chris Beck Scott Snodgress Daniel Webb Nate Jones Feel free to add more names to this as I don't want to type anymore. Also if you notice I haven't added any catchers because unlike Adam Dunn's entire Sox career this thread was not intended to be a joke. Edited March 12, 201412 yr by The Ultimate Champion
March 12, 201412 yr Author 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Jose Abreu = 8 Keon Barnum = 6 Marcus Semien = 5 Micah Johnson = 6 Carlos Sanchez = 3 Leury Garcia = 4 Connor Gillaspie = 5 Matt Davidson = 2 Avisail Garcia = 7 Dayan Viciedo = 5 Adam Eaton = 5 Jordan Danks = 3 Jared Mitchell = 2 Trayce Thompson = 5 Chris Sale = 9 Jose Quintana = 7 Erik Johnson = 6 Chris Beck = 6 Scott Snodgress = 5 Daniel Webb = 4 Nate Jones = 5 Andre Rienzo = 4 Not ranking any 1's or 0's or anyone I don't know much about Edited March 12, 201412 yr by The Ultimate Champion
March 12, 201412 yr Author I think this team also is probably going to run out 2-3 All-Stars on paper each year. I.E. maybe they don't always get in but Sale & Abreu will be there all the time, Q will make an appearance or two, and a few other interesting guys like Garcia or Micah Johnson or Beck/EJohnson will have a shot in good years. Not loaded with big names but probably a few guys who are good. I think we have the makings of a quality core. Also I have to say I like Eaton a lot but I just see him having a rough time staying on the field. I'd grade him higher otherwise, because I think he will be a difference maker when he is out there & healthy. Edited March 12, 201412 yr by The Ultimate Champion
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 08:28 AM) It's March 12, 2019.... predict what all these young guys will end up looking on this date (regardless of what team they happen to be playing on). Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu - 8 Marcus Semien - 6 Micah Johnson - 6 Carlos Sanchez - 5 Leury Garcia - 5 Connor Gillaspie - 4 Matt Davidson - 7 Avisail Garcia - 8 Dayan Viciedo - 5 Adam Eaton - 8 Jordan Danks - 3 Jared Mitchell - 5 --- Chris Sale - 9 Jose Quintana - 7 Erik Johnson - 7 Daniel Webb - 6 Nate Jones - 6
March 12, 201412 yr Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu - 7 Keon Barnum - 1 Rangel Ravelo - 3 Marcus Semien - 5 Micah Johnson - 4 Carlos Sanchez - 6 Leury Garcia - 3 Clelius Rondon - 1 Connor Gillaspie - 4 Matt Davidson - 5 Trey Michalscaweersdfski - 1 Avisail Garcia - 5 Dayan Viciedo - 5 Adam Eaton - 6 Jordan Danks - 7 Jared Mitchell - 1 Trayce Thompson - 1 Keenyn Walker - 1 Adam Engel - 2 Jacob May - 6 Micker Adolfo - 4 --- Chris Sale - 9 Jose Quintana - 8 Erik Johnson - 7 Chris Beck - 7 Scott Snodgress - 4 Daniel Webb - 4 Nate Jones - 4 Feel free to add more names to this as I don't want to type anymore.
March 12, 201412 yr Author QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 07:40 AM) 10 for everyone In 5 years when we go back & look at this thread you're going to look pretty funny having such a rosy opinion. Of course when your head is full of imported beer & has been bouncing around inside of a washing machine it's probably pretty easy to see so many stars here.
March 12, 201412 yr Author I like the really high opinion of Jordan Danks. One of these guys is going to pull a Quintana and rise well above expectations, and JorDanks might be the one with the work ethic to do it. He still K's a ton but if he can bring those walks and HRs up a little bit more and make a little more contact, his D will keep him a starting player, and then he'll have a shot.
March 12, 201412 yr Jose Abreu- 8 Keon Barnum- 0 Rangel Ravelo- 0 Marcus Semien- 3 Micah Johnson-5 Carlos Sanchez-3 Leury Garcia-3 Clelius Rondon- 1 Conor Gillaspie- 3 Matt Davidson- 5 Trey Michalczewski- 3 Avisail Garcia- 7 Dayan Viciedo- 4 Adam Eaton- 6 Jordan Danks - 3 Jared Mitchell- 1 Trayce Thompson- 1 Keenyn Walker- 0 Adam Engel- 4 Jacob May- 5 --- Chris Sale- 9 Jose Quintana -6 Erik Johnson- 5 Chris Beck- 5 Scott Snodgress- 2 Daniel Webb -4 Nate Jones- 5
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) I like the really high opinion of Jordan Danks. One of these guys is going to pull a Quintana and rise well above expectations, and JorDanks might be the one with the work ethic to do it. He still K's a ton but if he can bring those walks and HRs up a little bit more and make a little more contact, his D will keep him a starting player, and then he'll have a shot. No, that was an accident, I thought it was John, didn't expect Jordan to be someone we would be talking about 5 years from now. Jordan is more in the 3-4 range, he has value in spots but is not going to be an everyday guy.
March 12, 201412 yr Author QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 08:11 AM) No, that was an accident, I thought it was John, didn't expect Jordan to be someone we would be talking about 5 years from now. Jordan is more in the 3-4 range, he has value in spots but is not going to be an everyday guy. Oh. Well for your sake I hope Jordan Danks never makes it because if we check this thread 5 years from now & Jordan is coming off his first All-Star appearance then you sir are going to feel like a genuine butt hole.
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu- 7 Keon Barnum- 1 Rangel Ravelo-1 Marcus Semien- 6 Micah Johnson- 5 Carlos Sanchez- 3 Leury Garcia- 1 to 2 Clelius Rondon- 0 Connor Gillaspie- 3.5 Matt Davidson- 5 Trey Michalscaweersdfski- not sure Avisail Garcia- 5.5 Dayan Viciedo- 5.5 Adam Eaton- 2 Jordan Danks- 2 Jared Mitchell- .5 Trayce Thompson-1 Keenyn Walker-0 Adam Engel not sure Jacob May not sure --- Chris Sale- 8.5 Jose Quintana- 7 Erik Johnson- 6.5 Chris Beck- 5 Scott Snodgress- 5 Daniel Webb- 4 Nate Jones- 5.5 Feel free to add more names to this as I don't want to type anymore. Also if you notice I haven't
March 12, 201412 yr It's March 12, 2019.... predict what all these young guys will end up looking on this date (regardless of what team they happen to be playing on). Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu -7 Keon Barnum - 0 Rangel Ravelo - 4 Marcus Semien -6 Micah Johnson - 3 Carlos Sanchez - 4 Leury Garcia - 3 Clelius Rondon - 0 Connor Gillaspie - 3 Matt Davidson - 5 Trey Michalscaweersdfski - 5 Avisail Garcia - 6 Dayan Viciedo - 4 Adam Eaton - 6 Jordan Danks -3 Jared Mitchell - 2 Trayce Thompson - 1 Keenyn Walker - 0 Adam Engel - 3 Jacob May - 5 --- Chris Sale -6 Jose Quintana -4 Erik Johnson - 6 Chris Beck - 5 Scott Snodgress - 3 Daniel Webb - 5 Nate Jones - 4 If it's 2019, I believe Sale's body will start to fall apart, hence I bumped him down to a 6, but he will be elite for the next 2-3 years. I wish it's not the case, but it's hard to ignore the facts.
March 12, 201412 yr Thought this would be an Erwin Santana signing thread, lol. Or Lillian talking about how bypassing the signing of Grady Sizemore has quickly become the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. Edited March 12, 201412 yr by caulfield12
March 12, 201412 yr Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu - 8 Keon Barnum - 1 Rangel Ravelo - 4 Marcus Semien - 5 Micah Johnson - 6 Carlos Sanchez - 4 Leury Garcia - 3 Clelius Rondon - 3 Connor Gillaspie - 3 Matt Davidson - 5 Trey Michalscaweersdfski - 5 Avisail Garcia - 7 Dayan Viciedo - 5 Adam Eaton - 6 Jordan Danks -3 Jared Mitchell - 1 Trayce Thompson - 3 Keenyn Walker - 2 Adam Engel - 3 Jacob May - 3 --- Chris Sale - 9 Jose Quintana - 7 Erik Johnson - 6 Chris Beck - 5 Scott Snodgress - 4 Daniel Webb - 4 Nate Jones - 4
March 12, 201412 yr I added a few prospects (the rest of the T10 basically) to the list who I think may have an impact... Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu -7 Keon Barnum - 0 Rangel Ravelo - 4 Marcus Semien -6 Micah Johnson - 5 Carlos Sanchez - 3 Leury Garcia - 2 Cleuluis Rondon - 0 Connor Gillaspie - 2 Matt Davidson - 5 Trey Michalscaweersdfski - 1 Avisail Garcia - 6 Dayan Viciedo - 4 Adam Eaton - 5 Jordan Danks - 3 Jared Mitchell - 1 Trayce Thompson - 3 Keenyn Walker - 1 Adam Engel - 3 Jacob May - 5 ***ADDED... Tim Anderson - 5 Courtney Hawkins - 4 (with high variability) Tyler Danish - 4 --- Chris Sale - 7 Jose Quintana -6 Erik Johnson - 6 Chris Beck - 5 Scott Snodgress - 3 Daniel Webb - 5 Nate Jones - 5
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) Oh. Well for your sake I hope Jordan Danks never makes it because if we check this thread 5 years from now & Jordan is coming off his first All-Star appearance then you sir are going to feel like a genuine butt hole. I'll be OK if he does, but 5 years from now he will be 32 and headed into decline. To me he is the quintessential fourth OF, LH bat, solid defense, but not really the skillset to be an everyday guy. He has value to a team in a role, but if he is a starter something went terribly wrong.
March 12, 201412 yr Author OOOOh I forgot about Danish, I'll put him at a 7, he's my favorite spect in this system. Forgot Hawkins too but won't predict that guy. Boom or bust & not any info yet on how his new attitude is going to translate in game. The fact that the Sox on multiple occasions basically came right out and said the kid was a headcase is concerning, but maybe last year really was what he needed. This season should give a pretty good clue as to his future path.
March 12, 201412 yr Author QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) I'll be OK if he does, but 5 years from now he will be 32 and headed into decline. To me he is the quintessential fourth OF, LH bat, solid defense, but not really the skillset to be an everyday guy. He has value to a team in a role, but if he is a starter something went terribly wrong. I agree. But I hope he does well & he has turned himself at least into a potential 4th OF on a quality team where for a while he didn't look like he'd get that far at all. He has a chance to make some money in the game now IMO.
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 10:24 AM) OOOOh I forgot about Danish, I'll put him at a 7, he's my favorite spect in this system. Forgot Hawkins too but won't predict that guy. Boom or bust & not any info yet on how his new attitude is going to translate in game. The fact that the Sox on multiple occasions basically came right out and said the kid was a headcase is concerning, but maybe last year really was what he needed. This season should give a pretty good clue as to his future path. The three I added are all still so early in their development, there is a ton of distance between their floors and ceilings. But they should all be in a place 5 years from now where we have a decent idea what to expect.
March 12, 201412 yr 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Jose Abreu = 8 Keon Barnum = 6 Marcus Semien = 6 Micah Johnson = 5 Carlos Sanchez = 2 Leury Garcia = 4 Connor Gillaspie = 4 Matt Davidson = 5 Avisail Garcia = 7 Dayan Viciedo = 5 Adam Eaton = 8 Jordan Danks = 3 Jared Mitchell = 5 Trayce Thompson = 3 Chris Sale = 9 Jose Quintana = 7 Erik Johnson = 8 Chris Beck = 6 Scott Snodgress = 4 Daniel Webb = 4 Nate Jones = 7 Andre Rienzo = 3
March 12, 201412 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 12, 2014 -> 08:40 AM) 10 for everyone I see your 10 and raise it to 11.
March 12, 201412 yr Here's a scale to use: 0 = never plays in the Bigs 1 = cup of coffee/outright bust 2 = useful role player or specialist for a couple years 3 = very useful bench/backup/utility/MR option 4 = borderline starting position player OR high quality setup man OR 5th starter, several seasons in the bigs 5 = average starting position player all around OR quality closer OR #4 type of starter, several seasons in the bigs 6 = above average starting position player all around OR dynamite closer OR #3 starter 7 = generally an All-Star level position player OR #2 type of starter 8 = perennial All-Star position player OR true ace SP 9 = HOF candidate Here are the names, no particular order: Jose Abreu-7 Keon Barnum-6 Rangel Ravelo-4 Marcus Semien-5 Micah Johnson-5 Carlos Sanchez-4 Leury Garcia-2 Clelius Rondon-2 Connor Gillaspie-4 Matt Davidson-6 Trey Michalscaweersdfski-0 Avisail Garcia-7 Dayan Viciedo-4 Adam Eaton-7 Jordan Danks-4 Jared Mitchell-1 Trayce Thompson-4 Keenyn Walker-0 Adam Engel-4 Jacob May-4 --- Chris Sale-8 Jose Quintana-7 Erik Johnson-6 Chris Beck-5 Scott Snodgress-5 Daniel Webb-5 Nate Jones-5 --- Courtney Hawkins-7 Tim Anderson-6 Andre Rienzo-4 Tyler Danish-4
March 12, 201412 yr I will say this much... There needs to be a lot more 0's and 1's than there are on most people's lists.
March 12, 201412 yr Author One thing that I noticed typing up some of these names is that I forgot some good prospects & didn't feel it necessary to include much in the way of fringe types or specialist/MR prospects. Other years guys like Bassit, Veal, and Leesman would immediately come to mind when thinking of this system, but things are developing to the point where we have some more interesting names to watch. Maybe we even have a few players like May, Beck and Danish turn into premium prospects while guys like Snodgress move up. We seem to be pretty thin in pitching though. Not many names to consider it seems when it comes to truly interesting SP without immediately dipping into Montas/Olacio territory. I think we need to focus on big arms probably with our 3-4 of first 5 picks this year if possible, get some more SP in here. Beck, Johnson, and Danish are all that excite me & the rest are just kind of interesting. Edited March 12, 201412 yr by The Ultimate Champion
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