southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 11:23 AM) If this is true, its really bad news for the rebels. Killing civilians of another country is the easiest way to get the hammer brought down on you. This will be a situation where both sides blame the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew 29m Former U.S. ambassador to Russia here: https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/489811375770718210 … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I may be reading too much into it but they said they did not shoot at any "airborne targets". I wonder if that is diplomat-speak for we shot at a ground target and oh f***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 When I read the headline, I thought it was an update on the missing Malaysian flight. This is terrifying. Ukraine is f***ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I may be reading too much into it but they said they did not shoot at any "airborne targets". I wonder if that is diplomat-speak for we shot at a ground target and oh f***! Entirely different sets of weaponry. Surface to surface weapons aren't accidentally hitting a jet at 30K ft. Hearing now that there were 23 Americans on passenger registry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 23 Americans on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Apparently, Russia is the f***ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Apparently, Russia is the f***ed. That depends on Europe. The US will only get as involved as our NATO allies sign off on. Maybe this pushes Europe past the point of caring about energy trade with Russia, but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:11 PM) Apparently, Russia is the f***ed. Meh. There will be a lot of noise, maybe some sanctions, nothing of importance will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 There was apparently a report earlier this week that rebels near Donetsk had captured a Ukranian air defense station armed with SAMs capable of hitting a high altitude plane. The rebel groups denied that they have such a capability, but worth noting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 37m Sky Sources: #MH17 flight was in a restricted area unsuitable for civilian aircraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Plane went down in rebel controlled area. Rebels claim to have found black box but not allowing Ukrainian officials to have it or to enter the area. Good start to a cover up by the rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 37m Sky Sources: #MH17 flight was in a restricted area unsuitable for civilian aircraft I've read the exact opposite. Though it is restricted now after the crash, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I've read the exact opposite. Though it is restricted now after the crash, of course. Some airlines (all of the US ones plus some others) had already been avoiding the area, but not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 37m Sky Sources: #MH17 flight was in a restricted area unsuitable for civilian aircraft They showed on CNN that the plane was off track but only because of a bad storm on their normal route to the South, so they traveled furthered North to avoid the storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So pro Russian rebels leader admits to shooting down a Ukrainian cargo plane via Twitter only couple of minutes before news start poppoing up about the 777 going down. Tweets were since deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Meh. There will be a lot of noise, maybe some sanctions, nothing of importance will happen. For shooting down a f***ing passenger jet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) For shooting down a f***ing passenger jet? If it was shot down by official russian military they'll pay through the teeth and there will probably be some sanctions. If it was shot down by rebels within Ukraine, there isn't exactly an organized government to make restitution to. It could certainly weaken their support, but to what extent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) For shooting down a f***ing passenger jet? Check the history on that. Nothing really happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Latest chatter seems to indicate the missile came from Russian territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Latest chatter seems to indicate the missile came from Russian territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Can anyone translate this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=skL_1RcLRCA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) Can anyone translate this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=skL_1RcLRCA It's been removed from youtube. What was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Allegedly it was a conversation between seperatist discussing today's shot down. It was all in Russian, russian subtitles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Its probably this: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/...es-ukraine-live A site attributed to a separatist leader suggests rebels may have shot down MH17, but it has since been taken down and details remain unclear. It features a comment saying "We just downed an An-26 near Torez. It's down somewhere near Progress mine," which suggests rebel forces may have believed the passenger jet to be a Ukrainian military transport plane. The page, on the VKontakte social network, is attributed to Igor Girkin, who goes by the nom de guerre Strelkov and is the self-proclaimed military commander of the rebels. The page has been posting for rebels affiliated with Strelkov for weeks, and has some 130,000 followers. A site from a VKontakte page attributed to Igor Girkin, known as Strelkov. A screengrab from a VKontakte page attributed to Igor Girkin, known as Strelkov among east Ukrainian rebels. Photograph: /VKontakte The post continues "We had warned them not to fly in 'our sky'" and says "here is video confirmation of the "downed little bird." The linked video is the same as that used in media reports on the crash. The post also says "a residential sector was not caught" and "Innocent people were not harmed." Rebels have previously shot down an An-26 jet on 14 June, killing 49 Ukrainian military servicemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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