This is the scenario that unfolds each time, basically. The template:

 

- Hawk introduces Dan Hayes onto the air

 

- Dan Hayes mentions a bunch of interesting, inside tidbits. Stuff that would really appeal to a mainstream...in-need-of-info audience. Not like .....Soxtalk people..necessarily. More so....the garden variety fan. Could really learn a lot if they really had some good back and forth.

 

- Hawk cuts in contributing something completely unrelated, engages Dan Hayes on nothing from what he just said, asks no follow-ups, gives kind of a freestanding anecdotal shart of info that takes us nowhere helpful..

 

- Hawk says "Thanks Buddy!" and Dan Hayes is instantly gone.

Hayes always stutters his first word in the interview lol. I would probably do the same thing.

Hayes always stutters his first word in the interview lol. I would probably do the same thing.

 

It has gotten better as the year has gone on, but as a TV interview, you can tell Hayes is a writer.

It's incredible Dan Hayes has a tv job. Hawk and Stone have to walk him through his segment. I wonder who he's related to.

Personally I think Hayes is one of the more in-tune and better overall guys to follow. He knows the sox, knows the rules, and provides nice insights in his columns and twitter feeds. Can't comment on TV commentary as I usually have games on mute / on in background.

Freestanding Anecdotal Shart was my favorite Don Caballero song

I learn more from Sox Talk than I do from Dan Hayes or Merkin or Colleen Kane or any of them.

 

Their love fest for Adam Dunn last week, because he was such a good guy in the clubhouse, was an embarrassment.

 

He wasn't earning $56 million to drive charitable donations. He was supposed to anchor the lineup of a contending team. Never happened. He failed.

 

Media coverage of the White Sox is incredibly soft.

 

I read one blog by James Fegan and another by a dude named Margalus (not sure on spelling). they're much more insightful than Hayes or any of the people who travel with the team.

I'll never understand the inability of people to distinguish between what people say about Dunn on the field and off of the field. Just because you have respect for Dunn the person and teammate, doesn't mean you have to like how he hit while he was here, and vice versa. Everyone knows he didn't hit while he was here, and literally no one has said different. Anyone who tries to hold that as an argument for being "soft" on the Sox is creating a gigantic strawman that doesn't represent anyone's reality.

 

I'd love to see someone show me even one writers column on how Dunn was productive on the field while he was here.

 

The need to turn Dunn's on the field performance into something personal just boggles my mind. It is almost like people take Dunn's time here personally themselves, so they want to inflict pain on him. It is a game, get over it.

I'll never understand the inability of people to distinguish between what people say about Dunn on the field and off of the field. Just because you have respect for Dunn the person and teammate, doesn't mean you have to like how he hit while he was here, and vice versa. Everyone knows he didn't hit while he was here, and literally no one has said different. Anyone who tries to hold that as an argument for being "soft" on the Sox is creating a gigantic strawman that doesn't represent anyone's reality.

 

I'd love to see someone show me even one writers column on how Dunn was productive on the field while he was here.

 

The need to turn Dunn's on the field performance into something personal just boggles my mind. It is almost like people take Dunn's time here personally themselves, so they want to inflict pain on him. It is a game, get over it.

 

People don't earn $56 million to play a game.

 

It's a business.

 

Word is today he's re-thinking retirement.

 

And he'll probably find another sucker GM.

People don't earn $56 million to play a game.

 

It's a business.

 

Word is today he's re-thinking retirement.

 

And he'll probably find another sucker GM.

 

Unless you are paying him $56 million, it is a game.

http://nesn.com/2014/09/white-sox-announce...run-call-video/

 

Is this Stone?

 

I can't get it to download.

Edited September 4, 201411 yr by caulfield12

http://nesn.com/2014/09/white-sox-announce...run-call-video/

 

Is this Stone?

 

I can't get it to download.

 

yes... it's on the huffington post too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/w....html?ir=Sports

 

Would love to see some of Hayes first appearances on camera again. It was even worse when he first started, and I always got the feeling Hawk loathed having him on the broadcast.

 

 

He has gotten better though.

Edited September 4, 201411 yr by buhbuhburrrrlz

People don't earn $56 million to play a game.

 

It's a business.

 

Word is today he's re-thinking retirement.

 

And he'll probably find another sucker GM.

 

The top 5 home run hitters since 2012

 

Chris Davis 110

Miguel Cabrera 107

Edwin Encarnacion 106

Adam Dunn 97

Giancarlo Stanton 96

 

If you can be one of Earth's best home run hitters and have an above average on-base percentage, you are a valuable baseball hitter. To think otherwise is weird.

 

The top 5 home run hitters since 2012

 

Chris Davis 110

Miguel Cabrera 107

Edwin Encarnacion 106

Adam Dunn 97

Giancarlo Stanton 96

 

If you can be one of Earth's best home run hitters and have an above average on-base percentage, you are a valuable baseball hitter. To think otherwise is weird.

 

 

 

 

What is his OPS over that time frame, compared to the field of all major leaguers? And if you include 2011 as well?

 

You could probably take Dayan Viciedo's 58 homers over almost 3 years and that, alone, would look good...unless you start taking into consideration his defense and low walk rate, then it doesn't look quite so good.

 

What about salary dollars PER home run? That changes the equation dramatically as well.

What is his OPS over that time frame, compared to the field of all major leaguers?

 

Dunn .783

MLB .703(2014) .714(2013) .724(2012) for an average of approx. .714

 

You could probably take Dayan Viciedo's 58 homers over almost 3 years and that, alone, would look good...unless you start taking into consideration his defense and low walk rate, then it doesn't look quite so good.

 

58 is a lot worse than 97. I agree Viciedo's walk rate looks bad. Dunn's doesn't, Hence his above average OBP. So I suppose we agree, Viciedo is a much worse home run hitter who is worse at getting on base. Dunn hits well enough to DH. Viciedo doesn't seem to.

 

What about salary dollars PER home run? That changes the equation dramatically as well.

 

Not for 2015 it doesn't. I was responding to a post that supposed a GM who signed Dunn next year was a "sucker."

 

His numbers are better still when he just takes the 450 plus PAs he gets against righties in a year (.815 OPS I'd estimate over the last 3 years)

Dunn 106 homers in 1841 career White Sox at-bats= 1 in 17.38

 

Viciedo 63 homers in 1608 career at-bats= 1 in 25.52

 

 

Extrapolated over a full season of 600 AB's, Dunn would hit (on average) 34.5 homers, Viciedo 23.5.

 

Now if you want to argue about Dunn making $6.25 million next year and Viciedo earning $4.75 million...then it's an interesting argument.

Edited September 4, 201411 yr by caulfield12

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Is this Stone?

 

I can't get it to download.

 

yes... it's on the huffington post too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/w....html?ir=Sports

 

Would love to see some of Hayes first appearances on camera again. It was even worse when he first started, and I always got the feeling Hawk loathed having him on the broadcast.

 

 

He has gotten better though.

 

It is better, but still really awkward.

 

Hayes is, IMO, the best among the beat writers. At writing. TV perhaps not so much.

 

Hayes is, IMO, the best among the beat writers. At writing. TV perhaps not so much.

 

Agree fully.

Agree fully.

 

 

I don't even think most posters here can identify the Sox beat writers at this point.

 

It's nothing like when Gonzales and Sullivan were covering the team before, and they weren't even THAT great.

Happy Birthday Hawk.