March 5, 201511 yr Does Purdue need to beat Illinois to make the tourney? Or would three losses in a row (including tourney) knock them out?
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) Does Purdue need to beat Illinois to make the tourney? Or would three losses in a row (including tourney) knock them out? If I were on the committee i'd say no, but I think conventional wisdom is that Purdue needs that win and maybe even one more in the tourney to get in. Illinois needs the game at Purdue and they should be in, but it might require another win in the tourney as well.
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) If I were on the committee i'd say no, but I think conventional wisdom is that Purdue needs that win and maybe even one more in the tourney to get in. Illinois needs the game at Purdue and they should be in, but it might require another win in the tourney as well. 10-8 over an 11-7 B10 team doesn't have too many precedents.
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) 10-8 over an 11-7 B10 team doesn't have too many precedents. Yeah but Illinois doesn't have the bad losses Purdue has and they would be 2-0 against them.
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) 10-8 over an 11-7 B10 team doesn't have too many precedents. How many 11-7 teams have had home losses to two sub-150 ranked teams?
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) 10-8 over an 11-7 B10 team doesn't have too many precedents. In 2013, 8-10 Illinois was a 7 seed. 9-9 Iowa missed the tournament. 2010, 10-8 Illinois missed the tournament. 9-9 Minnesota got in. Conference record is one factor that is absolutely not considered by the committee. IF Illinois beats Purdue on Saturday (please, please beat Purdue on Saturday), the Illini will have a better resume than Purdue. Purdue has two horrible home losses in December and lacks a real signature win (home against Ohio State is their best). Illinois, on the other hand, has one bad loss (@ Nebraska) and three wins that are better than Purdue's best win (Baylor on a neutral floor, Maryland, and @ Michigan State). Depending on what happens to the rest of the bubble (and if any bids get stolen in conference tournaments), Illinois and Purdue could both be on the outside looking in. But an Illinois win @ Purdue definitely puts the Illini ahead of Purdue as of Saturday.
March 5, 201511 yr QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) In 2013, 8-10 Illinois was a 7 seed. 9-9 Iowa missed the tournament. 2010, 10-8 Illinois missed the tournament. 9-9 Minnesota got in. Conference record is one factor that is absolutely not considered by the committee. IF Illinois beats Purdue on Saturday (please, please beat Purdue on Saturday), the Illini will have a better resume than Purdue. Purdue has two horrible home losses in December and lacks a real signature win (home against Ohio State is their best). Illinois, on the other hand, has one bad loss (@ Nebraska) and three wins that are better than Purdue's best win (Baylor on a neutral floor, Maryland, and @ Michigan State). Depending on what happens to the rest of the bubble (and if any bids get stolen in conference tournaments), Illinois and Purdue could both be on the outside looking in. But an Illinois win @ Purdue definitely puts the Illini ahead of Purdue as of Saturday. Now that the conference schedule is unbalanced, it makes sense. There used to be a day if you weren't .500 in your conference, and didn't win your conference tournament, you were out.
March 6, 201511 yr http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/colle...hands/24370679/ Wolves are out in force baying at Creans heels. Btw, is there any example of an 11-7 or 10-6 big ten team missing? 8-10/9-9/10-8 I get that. 2013 and 1997 still sting for Iowa fans.
March 6, 201511 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 07:41 PM) http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/colle...hands/24370679/ Wolves are out in force baying at Creans heels. Btw, is there any example of an 11-7 or 10-6 big ten team missing? 8-10/9-9/10-8 I get that. 2013 and 1997 still sting for Iowa fans. Ha, I like how Doyel turns the Creaning phrase around. Crean could get Creaned. Because seriously, signing two guys when you have no seniors AND no clear-cut NBA players about to leave is beyond stupid, not to mention just a dick move.
March 6, 201511 yr I think I may have invented the word Creaning. Not that it's actually some genius thought but I made a thread on an illinois board when Crean took over titled "Indiana doing some Spring Creaning" and the thread blew up huge as Cream kicked every player off the team basically. I thought it was original at the time but it could have started elsewhere too. It also wasnt used negatively as it is now as he was kicking players off for being idiots. Just funny to see it used so widespread now.
March 6, 201511 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 10:18 PM) I think I may have invented the word Creaning. Not that it's actually some genius thought but I made a thread on an illinois board when Crean took over titled "Indiana doing some Spring Creaning" and the thread blew up huge as Cream kicked every player off the team basically. I thought it was original at the time but it could have started elsewhere too. It also wasnt used negatively as it is now as he was kicking players off for being idiots. Just funny to see it used so widespread now. Yeah it's definitely common now, as that article notes. And that first mass exodus, like you say, was called for. I can't remember if Ron Patterson and Matt Roth were the first victims or it happened before that. I think those two were the first, I don't remember it happening before the 2012 offseason.
March 6, 201511 yr I first saw the term Creaning on a Wisconsin board back when he was at Marquette. Edited March 6, 201511 yr by Soxbadger
March 6, 201511 yr QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 5, 2015 -> 10:43 PM) I first saw the term Creaning on a Wisconsin board back when he was at Marquette. Yep. It's been around awhile.
March 8, 201511 yr Purdue Indiana and Illinois with virtually identical rpi numbers in the high 50s. http://hawkeyenation.com/basketball/b1g-to...d-possibilities B10 tourney seeding possibilities Indiana/Minnesota and Illinois/mi with the latter winner getting the Badgers. Ind would face MD...if they could pull out of their slide. Purdue with the double bye as a 4. As an Iowa fan, it would be great to get one more shot at the Badgers the way we're playing currently. The first two were blowouts. Edited March 8, 201511 yr by caulfield12
March 8, 201511 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Mar 8, 2015 -> 08:09 AM) Do any of the games today have an effect on seeding? If OSU beats Wisconsin, Iowa gets the double bye 4 seed.there is some stuff with NU gets a bye with a Nebraska and Minnesota loss IIRC. Edited March 8, 201511 yr by Dick Allen
March 8, 201511 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 8, 2015 -> 07:24 AM) If OSU beats Wisconsin, Iowa gets the double bye 4 seed.there is some stuff with NU gets a bye with a Nebraska and Minnesota loss IIRC. Not counting on that happening even if Russell goes off for 40. Just want shots at Purdue and Wisky again...Aaron White was injured, it was on the road and they still had a good opportunity to win in the final minute and it got away.
March 8, 201511 yr So if Illinois beats Michigan, they would seem to have a "play-in" game. I imagine beating Wisconsin would get them in the tourney.
March 8, 201511 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 8, 2015 -> 11:12 AM) So if Illinois beats Michigan, they would seem to have a "play-in" game. I imagine beating Wisconsin would get them in the tourney. Yeah. I imagine they have a decent chance otherwise.
March 9, 201511 yr Day 1 Nebraska over Penn state Minnesota over Rutgers Day 2 Illinois over Michigan Iowa over Nebraska Northwestern over Indiana Minnesota over Ohio State Day 3 Wisconsin over Illinois Iowa over Purdue Maryland over Northwestern Minnesota over MSU Day 4 Wisconsin over Iowa Maryland over Minnesota Day 5 Wisconsin over Maryland upset filled tourney ends in chalk.
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