Now a week into Cactus League play, we're going to start doing weekly stock reports for players that are NOT already locked into a 25-man job. Who has helped themselves? Hurt themselves, literally or figuratively?

 

Here is Week One.

 

Thoughts?

 

Now a week into Cactus League play, we're going to start doing weekly stock reports for players that are NOT already locked into a 25-man job. Who has helped themselves? Hurt themselves, literally or figuratively?

 

Here is Week One.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

that was great in insightful. gave me a huge amount of updated info that i wasn't able to get, esp on players who is not in the spotlight.

 

2 of my players, pitchers are not looking too good.

 

keep up the great work.

My prediction: needless handwringing about saying Micah's stock is up.

My prediction: needless handwringing about saying Micah's stock is up.

 

it is hard to disagree with the proof, that is the stats. he is looking very nice.

This is nice and a good read...thanks

My prediction: needless handwringing about saying Micah's stock is up.

Who would think it isn't?

 

Snark aside, that was a great article. Did not know Phillips addition.

Beckham is on the team. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise. His roster spot is not contested.

Beckham is on the team. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise. His roster spot is not contested.

 

Well, I mean it's easy to see why people might think otherwise -- because he doesn't look like one of the 25 best players in camp.

 

I agree with you, though, that he'll probably be there anyway.

Well, I mean it's easy to see why people might think otherwise -- because he doesn't look like one of the 25 best players in camp.

 

I agree with you, though, that he'll probably be there anyway.

Neither does Melky Cabrera at this point. Judging people by their numbers in spring training on March 11, is like predicting who wins a golf tournament based on the very first hole.

Neither does Melky Cabrera at this point. Judging people by their numbers in spring training on March 11, is like predicting who wins a golf tournament based on the very first hole.

 

This should be its own thread, really, but :

Au contraire http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/...ball-statistics

D'oh, my brother just sent me that it's behind a paywall, sorry everyone.

 

They ran stats and found that players that outperformed their zips projections in spring training went on to overperform in the season, same trend in underperforming.

Beckham is on the team. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise. His roster spot is not contested.

He PROBABLY is. Not definitely or definitely not. The real question though was whether he might sneak into a starter's role, which was already unlikely and now seems nigh impossible.

 

One thing noticed is zach duke. 2 innings. 5 hits and 3 earned runs and 13.50 era. Really hoping he doesn't scott downs a spring training and carry over to regular season.

Edited March 11, 201511 yr by WhiteSoxLifer

D'oh, my brother just sent me that it's behind a paywall, sorry everyone.

 

They ran stats and found that players that outperformed their zips projections in spring training went on to overperform in the season, same trend in underperforming.

What about after 15 AB which is actually more than what we are talking about here?

Neither does Melky Cabrera at this point. Judging people by their numbers in spring training on March 11, is like predicting who wins a golf tournament based on the very first hole.

 

My statement was not referring exclusively to Spring Training. Gordon Beckham has a strong track record of being awful, so he needs to prove that he belongs on the 25 man. Melky does not.

My prediction: needless handwringing about saying Micah's stock is up.

I'm firmly Team Sanchez but obviously Micah's stock is up. It's not in dispute.

 

Neither does Melky Cabrera at this point. Judging people by their numbers in spring training on March 11, is like predicting who wins a golf tournament based on the very first hole.

It's more like predicting who wins the tournament after the first hole on Sunday. We actually have a lot more information than just their stats on March 11. In this case, we know Melky has a Major League track record of being good and a big contract. Beckham has neither of those things. So while I agree with you that he's gonna make the team, I can envision a scenario where he doesn't and they dump him. It is not a certainty.

My statement was not referring exclusively to Spring Training. Gordon Beckham has a strong track record of being awful, so he needs to prove that he belongs on the 25 man. Melky does not.

I know and the White Sox gave him a contract for $2.5 million to be a back up. He will be on the team. Care to bet?

 

And if you are not referring to spring training, isn't that what this thread is all about?

Edited March 11, 201511 yr by Dick Allen

D'oh, my brother just sent me that it's behind a paywall, sorry everyone.

 

They ran stats and found that players that outperformed their zips projections in spring training went on to overperform in the season, same trend in underperforming.

If this is the same article that they talked about on South Side Sox earlier this week, there are a few 'buts' to mention. First you have to consider where on the scale of established vet to fighting for a roster spot the guy sits, because you have to know whether you can place any faith at all in the numbers. Once you've determined that, I think it's something like a 30 point swing in the OPS or ERA projection if the guy has the best or worst spring ever (so from 4.00 to 3.70 or from .750 to .780). The impact is very minor, but yes, there is some meaning.

I know and the White Sox gave him a contract for $2.5 million to be a back up. He will be on the team. Care to bet?

 

Even when I wrote two sentence posts, you still don't read the whole thing.

 

Well, I mean it's easy to see why people might think otherwise -- because he doesn't look like one of the 25 best players in camp.

 

I agree with you, though, that he'll probably be there anyway.

 

Even when I wrote two sentence posts, you still don't read the whole thing.

Shouldn't we all be worried about Duke? He's had a history of being terrible and on March 11th, he is terrible.

 

Your hatred of anything Gordon Beckham is noted, but you can't have it both ways. If Beckham was 13-13 with 5 homers, you would say his numbers are meaningless. So saying he isn't one of the top 25 players in camp because he is 1-13 is ridiculous.

Edited March 11, 201511 yr by Dick Allen

Shouldn't we all be worried about Duke? He's had a history of being terrible and on March 11th, he is terrible.

 

Your hatred of anything Gordon Beckham is noted, but you can't have it both ways. If Beckham was 13-13 with 5 homers, you would say his numbers are meaningless. So saying he isn't one of the top 25 players in camp because he is 1-13 is ridiculous.

 

Hawk, is that you?

Great stuff NSS, as always. I hope that you are right, and that Gordo can potentially be left off the 25, depending on his level of suckage and the performance of those competing.

 

BTW, is Saladino already reassigned? He's the guy I want to see replacing Gordo, sooner or later. Unlike Gordo and Sanchez, seems to kill LHP, making him more platoon suitable to the other personnel. And probably has the most pop of the bunch.

 

Found some nice info on Danish's outing http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.ph...hamlb_kcamlb_1/ Apparently reached 92.5, not too bad.

 

Found it through this article article on SSS, http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/3/11/8188...for-second-base

talking about TD now throwing more of a slider ( "Coop calls it a cutter"), vs. the "slurve" type of pitch he had been throwing.

Edited March 11, 201511 yr by Stan Bahnsen

Great stuff NSS, as always. I hope that you are right, and that Gordo can potentially be left off the 25, depending on his level of suckage and the performance of those competing.

 

BTW, is Saladino already reassigned? He's the guy I want to see replacing Gordo, sooner or later. Unlike Gordo and Sanchez, seems to kill LHP, making him more platoon suitable to the other personnel. And probably has the most pop of the bunch.

 

Found some nice info on Danish's outing http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.ph...hamlb_kcamlb_1/

 

through through this article article on SSS, http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/3/11/8188...for-second-base

talking about TD now throwing more of a slider ( "Coop calls it a cutter"), vs. the "slurve" type of pitch he had been throwing.

 

Saladino is still in big league camp, but sadly, the presence of Beckham means his chances of breaking camp with the team are near zero. The only camp re-assignments so far have been Taylor's retirement and the addition of Engel Beltre to replace him in big league camp.

 

Saladino is still in big league camp, but sadly, the presence of Beckham means his chances of breaking camp with the team are near zero. The only camp re-assignments so far have been Taylor's retirement and the addition of Engel Beltre to replace him in big league camp.

Thanks, and that is indeed sad. Does TS seem completely healthy? I kinda thought the GB reacquisition might have been somewhat related to Saladino's recovery timetable. Would love to see him given a real shot.

 

That Brooks data is freakin tremendous, imo, and I'll be checking it out for Rodon today and the other guys going forward, especially Montas. Did not know it existed for ST.

Edited March 11, 201511 yr by Stan Bahnsen