June 29, 201510 yr I was talking with a friend today -- I'm not one of those you have to have TWTW guys. But who on this team has won, knows how to win, and when things are going bad can be a leader in the clubhouse and fix it? Or get people back on track... Abreu -- no experience in the MLB winning Sanchez/Micah -- nope Alexei -- been on a mediocre team for almost a decade. Here and there seasons isn't consistent winning Gillaspie/Beckham -- nope Melky -- Toronto wasn't exactly tearing it up ... has been on a few good teams. But consistent? Eaton -- Nope Garcia -- call up for the Tigers on a good team.. but ... not really. LaRoche -- not sure -- I know he was on the Nats. Braves? Probably were solid when he was there.. Not sure about the AZ teams -- he probably though is the best example for the bats. Sale -- nope Quintana - nope Shark -- nope Danks -- nope Rodon -- nope Duke -- nope Roberston -- was on some good Yankees teams -- but not heyday Yankees.. he is probably the closest thing to it... So again, I'm not saying TWTW is the only way to win. I'm just saying this team when facing adversity looks to who? Robin? Who has never been a successful manager -- unless we are talking year one -- and he failed down the stretch there. How do you win, when nobody on the whole team knows how to?
June 29, 201510 yr Who on the Astros has won? Who on the Rays has won besides Longoria? Whether you come from a winning club or not, it's irrelevant.
June 29, 201510 yr While I do think you do learn how to win, I don't think the roster has to be full of guys with playoff experience. Who on the 2005 team was playoff tested? AJ and his .235 OBP in the ALCS prior to 2005?
June 29, 201510 yr Author Who is our captain then? Sale for the pitchers... Who for the bats? No Konerko anymore. You can say that for the Astros and Rays -- but I'd be willing to say neither will be in the playoffs.
June 29, 201510 yr QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 02:32 PM) Who is our captain then? Sale for the pitchers... Who for the bats? No Konerko anymore. You can say that for the Astros and Rays -- but I'd be willing to say neither will be in the playoffs. I would bet collectively, the 2015 White Sox roster has more postseason experience than the 2005 roster had coming into that season.
June 29, 201510 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I would bet collectively, the 2015 White Sox roster has more postseason experience than the 2005 roster had coming into that season. The rotation alone had plenty of post-season experience (club had made the playoffs in 2000 and still had some guys from that roster, including Garland / Buehrle / Konerko). Then you had AJP / Dye / Carl Everett / Big Hurt (albeit he was hurt) as regular position players. Other pitchers with experience included Jose Contreras, Frederico, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, and Dustin Hermanson.
June 29, 201510 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) The rotation alone had plenty of post-season experience (club had made the playoffs in 2000 and still had some guys from that roster, including Garland / Buehrle / Konerko). Then you had AJP / Dye / Carl Everett / Big Hurt (albeit he was hurt) as regular position players. Other pitchers with experience included Jose Contreras, Frederico, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, and Dustin Hermanson. Oh yeah, that guy really does stack the deck. He might have had more than the entire rest of the roster.
June 29, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) The rotation alone had plenty of post-season experience (club had made the playoffs in 2000 and still had some guys from that roster, including Garland / Buehrle / Konerko). Then you had AJP / Dye / Carl Everett / Big Hurt (albeit he was hurt) as regular position players. Other pitchers with experience included Jose Contreras, Frederico, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, and Dustin Hermanson. So if we are talking about this years team. We can name Danks, Robertson, Shark (Kind of, on the bench of a one game), Alexei, Melky, LaRoche. Looking at Melky he has been on good teams. He would be our most seasoned winner. On some good Yankees teams, 91 win team in ATL, lost in the 1st round, and then a good SF team in 2012 too. WS champs I believe. So I totally missed on him. But you get my point a bit I hope. Again, I'm not dumb. I know its defense primarily that hurts this team. Offense that hasn't clicked yet too. But I dont think leadership and history of winning, knowing how to win, and how to play through bad stretches should be overlooked.
June 29, 201510 yr You can't count the long-time Sox as the Sox haven't won in a long time, as we know. But among the newbies: Cabrera - 4 post season teams Laroche - 4 post season teams Avi - 1 Robertson - 4 Shark - 1 Albers, Jennings, Duke - 0 Bonifacio - not bothering to look up The idea that we need a bunch of old vets that have been in postseason is silly.
June 29, 201510 yr Chris Sale definitely has the winner's pedigree. He's won on a losing team. I still think victories can tell you about a pitcher. Sometimes the guy on the mound can bring confidence to a team. He brings confidence to the fans as well.
June 29, 201510 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Who on the Astros has won? Who on the Rays has won besides Longoria? Whether you come from a winning club or not, it's irrelevant. There's not stat to prove or deny but I think it is with this club.
July 1, 201510 yr Paul Casella @paul_casella Chris Sale has two games this year in which he hasn't gotten a win despite 8+ IP, 12+ Ks and 0/1 run allowed. Rest of MLB has two COMBINED. 9:58 PM - 30 Jun 2015
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