wrathofhahn

Exactly. People need to get out of the mindset this team needs LHB or RHB or whatever. This team lost 100 games with Cease last year the goal should be to get as much minor league talent as possible and start trading for and signing other teams depressed assets. India would be one example. Austin Meadows could be another.

This team isn't winning anything the goal shouldn't be to build the perfect lineup it should be to get as many depressed assets as possible and hope their values can rebuilt and be moved later. So I could care less if the fit is perfect. Is he available and can he be had at a low cost those are the only two things the sox should be concerned about. This isn't going to be a one or two year process. But to stay on point India doesn't have the value to frontline a cease trade and I have no interest in him beyond being a buy low option

I'd trade for him but he's a buy low option not a centerpiece. We should be stocking up on guys who are pump and dump options as we start the rebuild. The more of these guys we bring in and are successful with the shorter the rebuild ends up being. One of the huge issues with Hahn is just how bad he was at doing this and signing free agents.

No it's not and the market for front line starters is pretty well established. That isn't going to get it done unless the person in the teens is Holliday.

I am suggesting even if they are good we will be burning through their service time on bad teams.

Of the guys ranked at the top of their system Rushing is the guy I like best. If we can get Rushing, Josue De Paula and 1 of Jesus Tillero, Samuel Munoz, or Joendry Vargas I'd be happy. This organization needs to change it's approach when it comes to drafting and the players it targets on trades. We need to stop trying to hit singles and instead go for a homerun.

Look this team lost 100 games and is going to get worse after a cease trade. We need to stop looking at it from the perspective of filling out holes on the roster and get the best highest upside talent from their system. We can do a separate deal or sign a stop gap OF, IF, SP if needed to fill out the roster.

I am not a fan of moving him not because we shouldn't move him but because his value is at it's lowest point. Much like Moncada the goal needs to be for him to build up some sort value first.

Look at what Rondon got last year. Signing any pitcher to 7 years is "insane balls" there is just so much that can go wrong with their arms. Like if the plan is to trade cease for a huge return rather than sign him to a Nola like extension sign me up. Mid-market teams should be moving every valuable pitching asset 1-3 years before free agency the Rays have been doing it for years. When is the last time when these huge big money extensions have worked out well for their clubs? Yu Darvish? Rodon? Patrick Corbyn? Grienke? Bauer? Robbie Ray? Jacob deGrom In fact it would be easier to name the signings that has worked out well recently. Off memory Grossman. Eduardo. Gerrit Cole

Busch and Frasso are 25 and 26 if we are trading Cease it signals a likely rebuild how do you rebuild with prospects in their middle 20's?

I was told we were going to pick up his option and that it was just a down year.

The article I read said he was out of options. Really wish baseball reference dashboard still showed service time and options./

I'll be honest the guys at the top of their farm ranking are not all that great. They are old. Like really old to be on top 100 lists. You also have to wonder how some of those numbers they are putting up in AAA translate to the majors like Busch came up and really struggled. The minor leagues are full of AAAA older players who can dominate at lower levels. Josue De Paula, Jesus Tillero, Samuel Munoz, and Joendry Vargas to me are the most desirable pieces from their farm system the dodgers are great finding Latin American talent. They basically have their pick of high toolsy young players every year and to me I'd prioritize upside in any trade with them especially considering their frontline prospects

I have no idea why he and clevinger were not moved at the deadline.

It's a good trade. Yes, Soroka is coming off a bunch of serious injuries but his stuff has remained relatively the same particularly his velocity. He probably won't ever be a frontline starter but even a 4th or 5th starter is more valuable than Bummer. Lopez is nothing special but can be used as a utility guy which is the path you should pursue going to year with these guys rather than signing guys like Garcia to extension. Shewmake is AAA fodder and since he is out of options will probably be DFA at some point. Shuster had a good minor career. He doesn't have frontline stuff but once again there is value in having either be a longman or a 5th starter. There is also the potential should he be moved the bullpen he finds a cpl of miles on his fastball Getting potentially two backend starters with control and an utility player for a reliever is a homerun.

Thanks for the handle.

He gone

Sadly he isn't even the worst contract of Hahns tenure. Keuchel is easily first. Probably Garcia 2nd. Grandal is 3rd but as bad as he's been we werent supposed to extract value from the backhalf of his deal. He got injured and most of the value from the fronthalf never materialized. Honorable mention goes to Herrara as well. I still have some hope that Beni gets a bit of power in his bat and goes back to a .750ish Ops hitter with a 1.5ish WAR that probably gets you 9M to 10M in FA but he shouldn't have gotten the contract he did off the year he had. I mean the BABIP was a fluke we all knew that the only thing I can think of is the FO thought his power numbers would come back as his wrist is healthy but it never did and he is still having issues with his wrist. It's bet a wouldn't have had a problem with on a short-term deal but to give him the kind of term they did his power better come back soon because if it doesn't his deal is going to be a write off.

I mean I haven't sat down and calculated the WAR from picks during his entire tenure. I am just going off memory and what I've seen from other GM's. It doesn't really matter because his FA record is so atrocious. i remember reading an article about his FA signings where they used the WAR dollars feature of fangraphs to figure out the difference between what Hahn paid for and what he received and he literally has cost Jerry almost half a billion dollars more than what they should have over the course of 50 FA signings. And that is just over what an average GM would be able to do. Good GM's manage to sign flyer type FA and extract value from unlikely places like the Rays manage to do every year. But yeah I think people here have a warped idea what average is. Average isn't good, it's mediocre. I am not saying Hahn is a good drafter or trader just that it's not his worst attribute.

Not the end of Jake Burger but it remains to be seen if his future MLB career is that of a good hitter or replacement level player. 17 games doesn't really tell us anything except it does even out the trade more for the Marlins perspective because whether he replicates this or not moving forward the rest of his career Marlins need to win games now.

He has had a couple of good series but anyone who believes at this point he has fundamentally changed as a hitter I feel sorry for. It's 17 games and a handful of at bats. Glad the Marlins recognized what he was doing previously wasnt going to be sustainable in the long run but its way to early to know whether Burger is going to be successful changing his approach at the plate.

Hahn actually has done alright on trades and been about average hitting on prospects. But hes been absolutely f'n god awful in free agency. Wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on barely replacement level players. FA should really should be the easiest part the job but time and time he wastes money on guys which absolutely kills our ability to field a competitive team. The worst part is Beni had a .352 BABIP last year. This is around what his normalized OPS should have been last year. Anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming. Infact his xWOBP (his expected weighted OBA) was .334 according to fangraphs his actual OBP so far this year is you guessed it .334. His slugging and ISO numbers are a bit down and he probably a bit better than his power numbers this year but when we signed him we should known what he was. He never was going to be the 122 wRC+ of last year.

Challenge accepted!

Zero sympathy. He's been stealing money for years.

Being able to basically end the Yankees season would be a great end to a truly godawful year. Not expecting much but it happens it would be great