wrathofhahn

It's never really worth extending relievers but yeah he has a live arm and his metrics are better than the results. But hey he can always be signed in free agency so there is that. Personally even getting a top 30 organizational prospect for him is good lets face it our infield defense has killed much of our reliever values people say Bummer and Middleton are unlucky but I kind of hate that phrase because it implies events just happened and nothing could have been done about it. It may have been outside of their control but it certainly wasn't outside the organizations control when they put this atrocious infield together.

I am going to say this but I don't believe Burger is a good offensive player. Could the Marlins fix his approach at the plate and he develop into one of course there are scattered stories of guys like Jose Bautista figuring it out in their latter half of their careers. But Burger will be 28 next year. There is a much better chance the player we have saw this year with the exception of a handful of games is who he is with the exception of his ISO which is going to come back down to earth. And when it does he figures to fall into that .725 ish to .750 ish OPS range. What is that worth to you as a 1B/DH? If he could play 3B at a high level it would be another story because you could live with his all or nothing approach but when it comes to 1B/DH its not hard to find .750+ OPS guys. It may have been hard over the years for us but the average ops for a first baseman right now is .711 OPS for a DH is .742. Lets talk a year from now because if Burger is still having a .800+ OPS not getting on base, not hitting for an average and has a .300+ ISO if I'm still around I'll send a picture of me eating my hat.

From July 1 to 26 he played 19 games his batting average was .191, .267 OBP, .471 SLG and .737 OPS. Four games at the end of month where he walked 5 times and people are using that to try to pretend he is a different hitter than what he has shown all season. Im sorry but in 162 game season you can take 4-5 games from any players season and take them to tell whatever you want. If the Marlins are taking basically one series into account into why they are willing to trade a top 100 prospect for a no defense. No avg. No obp. Tower power 1B/DH then they are morons and we'd be fools to not take advantage of their idiocy.

Clevinger has pitched well enough and still has good stuff he is likely to get a multi year offer in free agency. I would be shocked if he exorcised his option it just makes almost no sense.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Clevinger is extended that is the only reason to keep him past the deadline is if they are engaged in talks and close to agreement on an extension. If not it is a massive mistake by Hahn he has pitched well he could have netted us a decent return, Grandal is easy to understand he had no value and if you are going to have to eat his deal you might as well just have him finish out the year since there is noone ready to take his spot. Ditto for Anderson. Dejong went for a song. Anderson has similar value at this point so it makes sense to hold onto him if he bounces back he can always be moved in the offseason or just kept on his option. I was in favor of moving him but clearly the demand wasn't there. Cease doesn't make sense to move if the FO plans to retool and spend money next year.

The one knock I have on him is he didn't move Mike Clevinger I find it hard to believe we couldn't get something of value for him

The main problem with this lineup is there is no middle class either the players are hitting well or not at all. That needs to change you can't have as many guys the sox do 7 with below .700 ops and above 150 PA and expect to win. Not to mention the bullpen has been mostly a disaster too and the infield defense is a mess. It's not a homerun problem its a hitting problem period

Could be. Either way it's Middleton I wasnt expecting a whole lot for him anyways.

I very much doubt he averages 2WAR over the next five years. Both Streamer and Zips in season calculations has his value between 0.2 WAR and 0.4 WAR this year The reality is what he is doing currently isnt sustainable. Fan favorite aside this was a trade that had to be made wish him the best but he's gone and we made the correct call/bet by trading him. if he somehow corrects his approach at the plate and manages to sustain his success all the more power to him but his iso numbers right now are higher than the career ISO of Schwaber, Ohtani, and Alonso he is going to come down to earth at some point and unless his plate discipline and ability to put balls in play improve it isn't going to be pretty

Yeah for me that is a red flag because there is a major difference between throwing SL and CH for swinging strikes in the ML vs MLB working off an average FB By the sounds of things he maybe someone who needs to move to the bullpen to see if he can gain a cpl of miles on his fastball

I really think Burger will be a .725 ish OPS at best player moving forward unless he drastically improves his plate discipline. You couple that with his bad defense at 3rd and I don't get the reluctance doing the deal. It reminds me when Avisaíl García hit .330 in 2017 every Sox fan knew his BABIP wasn't sustainable but noone wanted to move him. Well the next year his value completely cratered. I think funny enough he was 26 or 27 then too. Here is the thing can Burger develop a better approach at age 28+ sure but it's pretty rare. I'll take my chances on the frontline pitching prospect instead. Because if you hit on him you have a frontline starter for the next 6-7 years. If you correct Burger approach at the plate you at best have a good hitting 1B/DH valuable but not in the same category. We also have Vaughn and Eloy two guys who approaches at the plate and bat profiles project out to have much longer sustained careers in MLB. As far as I'm concerned we really didn't lose anything in the deal because Burger was not a longterm answer at 3rd and there isn't a spot at 1B and/or DH for him,

Grandal and Anderson have no value. He should have moved them earlier but it is what it is. Beni I would have moved but he has term to him not sure teams were ready to commit to a LF with term when rental guys were available like Teoscar

Much of this was him getting out of mistakes of his own making but for me it's an easy A. I also have zero confidence in his ability to use the savings in salary properly in FA but just evaluating it separately from Hahn performance as a whole all the trades were pretty much homeruns.

Look I never wanted Vaughn I thought it was a mistake to draft him. However, I don't really get the room for growth argument for Burger. He's 27. I think Vaughn baseline hitting skills and approach at the plate give him a much better chance at longterm success at the MLB level. Unless the argument his contact and walk numbers are so bad that he doesn't have to improve much to be better. However, I very much doubt he continues his .313 iso slugging numbers either. I mean you look at Pete Alonso and he's averaged 45 homeruns per 162 games over his career. He has a career .276 iso percentage and he couples that with a much more selective professional approach at the plate. The way Burger is currently playing right now longterm just isn't sustainable.

If the stuff is still there this is a tremendous move. These are exactly the type of moves Hahn should be making every year instead of investing tens of million into the bullpen

He is a much better hitter. I get it Burger is a fan favorite but this trade is a homerun

I just each trade on its merits not whom the organization has or has not developed. I don't live month to month with players. He is going to have to demonstrate improved plate discipline a lot longer than four games (five of those eleven walks in july happened in his last four games) before I am convinced he is a totally different player than I've seen for the rest of the first three years of his career.

Correct in my old age I always get the two florida teams confused not sure why

He has a .214 BA, .279 OBP and is 27. Yes he has tower power but so did Gavin and a million other players entering the MLB. It is going to be very hard to almost impossible for him to maintain his numbers if he can't get on base or hit for an average. Maybe the Rays manage to unlock that in him best of luck but I'll take the frontline pitching prospect and run

I wanted to move Tim but look at Dejong return the value isn't there. Teams want guys who have been playing well for their title run. Rays severely overpaid for control on a guy who is unlikely to replicate his current season moving forward. If they can fix his approach great all the more power to them but I'll take my chances on a frontline pitching prospect over a 27 year old 1B/DH whose approach at the plate needs work.

His slugging numbers are going to be very hard to maintain over the course of his career unless his approach at the plate changes and he manages to get on base more. I am more than fine with the move. He could easily be Galvin Sheets in a couple of years unless he figures out to have more plate discpline. For that we got a front-line pitching prospect.

Yeah didn't see fangraphs list. MLB.com doesn't update as often people need to realize he is going to rise when they redo their lists. He is easily a top 100 prospect at this point

Anytime you get a chance to trade a non-elite 1B/DH for a frontline pitching prospect you do the deal. I like Burger but if Elder develops into what he is capable of we easily win the trade. Elder may not be on a top 100 prospect list now but he will be when they redo the list. It is an easy trade to make.

From Herald 1D ago: Jake Eder continues to return to form With each passing start this season, left-handed pitcher Jake Eder (Miami’s No. 4 ranked prospect) is looking more like the pitcher who dominated before undergoing Tommy John surgery in August 2021. Eder’s latest outing came on Saturday, when he struck out 10 batters and allowed just two runs (one earned run) on one hit (a home run), two walks and one hit batter over 5 2/3 innings for Double A Pensacola. It was the deepest into a game Eder has pitched since returning to action in June and the 10 strikeouts are the second most in his minor-league career, behind only the 12 he had in his first-ever minor-league start on May 6, 2021. Eder utilizes a three-pitch mix: a fastball that sits between 93-96 mph and touches 98, a low-80s slider and a low-80s changeup. Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article277805008.html#storylink=cpy

He will move up the lists after the season. He has front-line stuff has protypical size and pitches left handed. He has dominated once they promoted him to AA. Per MLB: Scouting grades: Fastball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50 Though Eder flashed first-round stuff at Vanderbilt and notched a three-inning save in the 2019 College World Series clincher, a lack of consistency prevented him from cracking the Commodores' weekend rotation until his junior year. His stuff and control regressed during the shortened 2020 season, enabling the Marlins to grab him in the fourth round for an over-slot $700,000. Sent to Double-A for his 2021 pro debut, he dominated until blowing out his elbow that August and requiring Tommy John surgery that cost him all of last season. Eder displayed a plus fastball and slider throughout the 2021 season before he got hurt, and a pro scout with another organization called him the best pitching prospect in baseball. His four-seamer sat at 93-96 mph and touched 98 with ride up in the zone, and he commanded it better than he ever had. He also tightened up his low-80s slider, generating more horizontal action and locating it with more precision than before. Eder also made strides with a low-80s changeup that offers some fade and tumble. Most importantly, he threw all three pitches for strikes after a history of inconsistent control and command. If his stuff returns after his elbow reconstruction and that polish is for real, he should become at least a No. 3 starter and perhaps more.