WestEddy

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you really do understand the difference between saying that "losses don't matter during a rebuild" but steadily building a team's momentum during a rebuild. Tauchman wasn't taking playing time away from anybody in 2025. How did he help the org? Veteran leadership, filled a position. Do you think that a rookie OPSing .500 and dropping everything that is hit to him helps fans be entertained by the team? You're going to have to help me understand how guys who are screaming about actual prospects making mistakes want to plug in the non-prospects we have to set more loss records and make even more mistakes.

If all you need to know about a franchise is the expectations of a couple of commentors on an online chat board, I would proffer that you have no gauge on what one needs to know about a franchise.

Again, nobody said they're "in line". Unless a team is winning a championship, there's a sizeable part of the fanbase that hates the owner. That's just the way sports are, now. So, congratulations. You just implied that the Sox are in line with the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs.

Oh, I didn't name every single team in all of sports whose fans hate the owner? I then challenge you to name every single Sox fan who is angry. Go ahead. I'll wait. Don't miss any.

I don't think a single person on this board has said this. You're not only choosing a strawman to fight you're picking one with no arms. If I remember correctly, you're the one who is perpetually perplexed by the people who aren't regularly enraged.

As if? LOL. When it's put to me like I should feel shame because of whatever BS you decide I should feel ashamed of today, I respond that I don't really care about what they lose this year. Do I care? Sure, I'd like them to win more than they are. I really don't care you feel. You seem to get rankled by somebody being slightly positive about a player's value (Gavin Sheets as a lefty bench bat), then feel the need to troll on a daily basis in multiple threads that his latest hot streak is over. Please tell me you don't think Sox fans are angrier than Oakland Athletics' fans. Or Pirate fans. That, my friend, is myopic and naive.

1) care about record - It's a rebuild. I'm not going to wail about 100 loss seasons, or another losing record, or losses over the last 3 years. Yes, I would like them to be improving, which, I guess, is "caring" about win-loss record. It's not a major concern in my life where I have to express, on a daily basis, that I actively angry about something I can't control. 2a) Tauchman/Slater HRs - Yes, he filled RF for the first time in about 8 years with players who put up around 2 bWAR, for a minimal amount of money. That's phenomenal. 2b) Tauchman was signed for 2025. That he's even being considered to bring back next year is a positive. If he's a bench piece, that still works. If he's traded in the off-season, as good. If they just non-tender him, not the most optimal choice, but he still brought value in 2025. Stabilized RF and brought veteran leadership. I'm not sure how anybody can portray what he brought to the team this season as less than a huge positive. I don't really know what's confusing about this. Should I have called it a triple? Should I have said, "Getz didn't deserve his job, and the jury's still out, but Tauchman was a slight positive in 2015"? It seems like a pretty simple concept to me. Getz filled RF with around 2 bWAR for a very small amount of money. I don't generally see people making the guy explain how he thinks Getz is too stupid to even evaluate baseball players, or making people square up "Reinsdorf will never sign a free agent again" with the payrolls he ran when the team was winning. Tauchman and Slater were great signings.

They got something of real value from Tauchman. 1.6 bWAR in 77 games. Weird how the people who wail about bad baseball don't consider good baseball players valuable.

Something broke across all of baseball fandom. "Sell the team" chants happen in multiple cities. It's a national trend. It's not unique to the White Sox. Most fanbases hate their team's ownership. It's as normal as yelling out that the government sucks. As far as acknowledging "every single positive post", first of all, we're not talking about "positive" posts. We're talking about narratives that get pounded into our heads daily, here, like "the Sox dish on every player as they leave", or "Vargas isn't even a bench bat".

Asking people to accept reality and stop repeating the wrong things isn't demanding an apology. That would look something like, "All you grumps owe the rest of us an apology", or reasonable facsimile. That is nowhere in the OP. The 2 things vilehoopser addressed are completely valid. The Sox will be better and win more games than 2024. Tauchman/Slater was back to back HRs by Getz. The end.

And thus starts the next White Sox pitching scoreless innings streak.

Nobody involved in the decision has declared Grant Taylor as "closer of the future".

If the Bader and Mullins deals were what was on the table for Robert, I thought it was great for Getz to tell them both to stick it, and to keep Robert. Builds credibility going forward, and all he lost out on was three minor league relievers? (the trade for Cedric Mullins - one of which was a converted 3B) I've got no problem with Getz being tough to take advantage of when he's in a hard spot. I don't really care what happens with Robert. Good luck getting a team to trade for him now that they've all been vindicated by Robert being out of the year before September even rolled around. Next year, you probably have Brooks Baldwin, Teel/Lee and Bryan Ramos (or player moved by Ramos) looking for OF innings. Maybe Robert holds the interest of casual fans? I don't think you get anything more out of the Mets, Phillies or Padres this offseason for LuBob. Maybe somebody thinks they're a CF away from competing next year? I don't think it would be insane to not pick up the option for next year. I imagine they will, and all that will do is smoosh a couple of deserving young players into a single OF position.

Somebody started a thread called something like, "how about we stop engaging in these two disproven narratives", and it's still brought up that some people think apologies were demanded for being angry.

You mean it takes the inspirationally prescient cake? Thanks.

Correct. Chris Getz will have multiple offers to be PBO. By the time he leaves Chicago, "GM" will be laughably below his pay scale.

Or to reengage teams who didn't view themselves as contenders, and weren't prepared to add in July.

Having sex with a minor is the opposite of smart.

Since Vargas' stance change (4/23) he's been OPSing .783. That's great for where he was, but yeah, I think he has to step up in power, and iron out the slumps, or somebody's going to move him out in the next season or two.

Looking at the glass as "half full" isn't "refusing to be realistic or objective". Unless you have a crystal ball on your kitchen table, you don't know the outcome of the season. Positive expectations are as realistic as negative ones. Of the people who bet the under on 49.5 wins or declared the 2025 team would lose more than the 2024, nobody called them unrealistic or subjective.

Is this performance art? Vargas is a league average bat with 30 doubles. That's not a bench player.

20, counting the 8th and 9th against Minny on Saturday.

Did the Royals challenge it? Watching the highlights, it sure looks like he had a sno-cone hit the ground, and the ball bounced deeper into his mitt. Beautiful play, tho.

A pitcher shouldn't get rattled over losing a perfect game in the 3rd inning.

I hated them going back to the time Nancy Faust first started playing the hey hey goodbye when the other team changed pitchers, and they whined like babies.