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What’s even more absurd is that he said 2022 would be the earliest if everything worked out PERFECTLY. To me, perfectly means Giloito and Lopez make huge strides this year and are solid middle of the rotation pieces. Moncada is an all star. Kopech and Cease are TOR starters in 2020. Rodon figures it all out and is the ace we’ve been waiting for. Robert and Madrigal fly through the system in 2019 and are all stars with the big league club in 2020. Palka turns into a stud DH. And our young bullpen arms become above average major leaguers. That is everything going perfectly. And that would mean we are a playoff team in 2020, even without Machado or Harper.

As of this very moment, I like our chances of signing Manny. If offers haven’t even been submitted, I think we are in good shape.

Gotcha. Thanks. I’m guessing the reporting is BS (Dan Clark) because offers haven’t even been submitted yet.

Huh? Did you receive the text but hold off on reading it until you came here to post that message?

That was GREEDY’s point.

Good find. Has this been discussed here yet? Looks like the video is from December 27, but it would be really interesting if Machado is waiting until after the new year to discuss financial terms with the three teams.

If we don’t sign either guy, fans have every right to label that as a failure by the front office. But I would rather have them be honest about going all in if they fail. I wouldn’t want them to fail and pretend all along that they weren’t really going after them.

Agreed. I’m not sure of the latter either. But do you have any idea why people keep saying that they wish Hahn and KW hadn’t said anything about trying to sign them?

I feel like the argument is shifting now, so let me go back to my original point. People here have continuously said that they wish Hahn and KW were not so upfront with saying they will try to sign Machado or Harper. My question isn’t about whether they actually have done everything in their power. That’s a separate discussion and separate argument. I want to know why people care that Hahn and KW were honest about trying to sign one of the whales.

Now I’m even more confused. You are saying you want words to mean something. So how could you not want them to be truthful on the direction and actions of the organization by saying they want to do everything in their power to sign those guys?

I guess I still don’t see anything wrong with making it clear that your focus and intentions are to try to sign Machado or Harper. Just so it doesn’t look like a failure if they sign elsewhere? Why does that matter?

But why is it a big deal that they didn’t say what you have in quotes? I fail to see anything wrong with letting people know you would try to sign Machado and Harper.

I’m not saying they weren’t going out. They absolutely have gone all out. I’m wondering why people are upset at the things they have said.

First, what was the closest thing they actually said to “going all out” for them? Second, saying they will pursue the two big free agents does not mean it’s guaranteed that they sign them. I still have no idea why people are so upset with Hahn and/or KW’s comments. Is it because you will be mad that you got your hopes up? soxfan49, this isn’t directed at you only. I just don’t understand why anybody is so upset with Hahn and KW for not hiding the fact that they will try to sign the whales.

Completely agree.

If we miss out on Machado, I’d offer even more than that.

100% this.

Did Clark say that Schoop was his source? Or is that just our best guess based on his friend/former teammate comment?

You think they’d be able to keep it quiet when Manny visited the three cities? Hell, what about the Harper sign at the United Center? And it would have leaked during the winter meetings if nothing else. I see nothing wrong with the way they have “gotten our hopes up” like everybody is so up in arms about. It’s not like Hahn or KW ever said they were confident they would be able to sign one of them.

So the Sox and Phillies are both keeping this a secret to delay the roasting they will get by a week or so? But Dan Clark was able to get the scoop and nobody else has? I had trouble typing that without laughing about how ridiculous it sounds.

Why would the Sox want to keep this a secret?

Are you claiming there is a chance that Manny, the Yankees, the White Sox, and the Phillies all know that Manny has already chosen the Yankees, and yet it still hasn’t leaked to anyone more official than Dan Clark?

I’m still confused by this report from Rock. First he said that Schwarber and Heyward “will be dealt”. Then he said they might not be able to move Heyward. So which is it? Do they have a deal in place, or are they just exploring trade options? Doesn’t sound like anything official to me.

Why do you think Robert is a corner OF?

I’m not talking about the scenario where he wants the Yankees to offer more. I’m talking about the scenario where he realizes the Yankees can’t come close to the White Sox (or Philadelphia), and he has pretty much settled on signing with us but wants to try to get more money.