Look at Ray Ray Run

No, that is not why the players were granted immunity. With fellow union members outraged, tony Clark is in one hell of a tough spot. Players want players held accountable.

How is he salty? Because he doesn't like to see cheaters prospering off the game they are cheating?

Let's all reminisce about this story: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/astros/2018/04/21/justin-verlander-tim-anderson-unwritten-rules/539194002/ Where Justin Verlander - knowingly cheating and breaking actual rules - decided to play the "unwritten rules" fun police against Tim Anderson. It's amazing; McCann and Verlander care so much about the unwritten rules, but don't give a fuck about the actual rules.

Jim has probably seen like 10 ab's combined from everyone on his list. lol And when I saw that he had quotes about each player from GM's and player personnel I thought he was going to have quotes from like scouts and stuff that weren't with the organization that the guy plays for; even if anonymous. Rick Hahn thinks highly of Luis Robert? NO WAY, JIM!

No, he didn't talk like that. I'm pretty sure he is assuming his teammates who told him this wouldn't make up something like that out of nowhere.

This. Is. A. Fantastic. Point.

Ahh, you're right. He was drafted in 84 and 87. Regardless, he was on the team like 6 months after LaRussa left. You're acting like he had no communication with the players that played with LaRussa.

Miami baseball does this shit too - by far the biggest cheaters in college baseball.

Again, using technology to steal signs is illegal and far different than me shifting my weight to the left side when the catcher moves in and right side when he moves out, and holding my left knee cap for a fastball and having two hands on my knees for off-speed while standing on second.

McDowell was drafted in the 1987 draft - a member of the organization. He made his big league debut in 87, less than 1 year after LaRussa's firing. Players talk; these were his teammates. LaRussa has a history of breaking the rules, and I'll trust McDowell that this was just the beginning of LaRussa's scumbaggery. edit: changed draft date

McDowell joined the team in 1987, the year after LaRussa was fired. Sooo. no.

I'm not mad at the White Sox - this is a LaRussa problem, not an organizational one, and there's a lot of reasons LaRussa is gone and that may have been one of them.

McDowell says baseball gives guys like LaRussa a pass for decades while targeting others. He says it's not fair and it's hypocritical. Hard to argue with Jack here.

I will say, I have no idea what camera's were good enough in the 1980's to zoom in from the outfield stands into the fingers of a catcher... But I don't know why Jack would make this up; well, he does hate LaRussa but still. Odds are this is true, and makes me even happier that we fired this ass hat.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/jack-mcdowell-80s-white-sox-tony-la-russa-cheated/fac8vh3ph8vb1dkja2jox1n10 Former MLB pitcher and 1993 AL Cy Young winner Jack McDowell alleged in a radio appearance Friday morning that the White Sox had an illegal sign-stealing operation at old Comiskey Park in the late 1980s, and that Hall of Fame manager Tony La Russa was the instigator of the scheme. Speaking to WFNZ-AM in Charlotte, where he serves as baseball coach for Queens University, McDowell said the White Sox had a camera zoomed in on opposing catchers and a light in an outfield Gatorade sign that could be controlled from the manager's office and would presumably let hitters know which pitches were coming. "He was also the head of the first team ... with people doing steroids," McDowell said, referencing La Russa's decade-long stint as manager of the Oakland A's, which included managing infamous steroid users Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire. "Yet he's still in the game making half a million. No one's gonna go after that." I've been pretty anti-LaRussa in my life, and as a poster here, and his love of cheating was a huge reason. He was an overrated hack who never did shit the right way; which is likely why he was fired from the White Sox. People here can praise him all he want, but the guy spent decades cheating - not winning fair and square.

And I hate nothing more than the "just look at him" argument. Frank Thomss was clean; but Just look at him! Dee Gordon did steroids; but just look at him. This isnt 1990 anymore. Steroids have come a long way. It's not a bulk inducing drug only anymore.

Its banned because it's dangerous and not good for you. Period. Again clinical studies have shown time and time again it's not beneficial to athletes and does not increase strength gains.

If you dont wish to read the entire study, although it is educational, the key conclusions are below: Given the results of clinical trials, there is no clear benefit for athletes who inject HGH. In contrast, there are significant dangers, both medically and financially. Athletes considering this drug should be strongly urged to avoid its use completely.

Ahh thought you said postseason. My bad.

So the science is a load of bunk? Got it. Here's another more recent study that comes to the same conclusion. https://www.reliasmedia.com/articles/120075-human-growth-hormone-and-athletic-performance

Sigh.....

Here's a good read as to why HGH wouldn't even really benefit Trout or any baseball players. http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/04/i-dont-worry-about-hgh-in-baseball-and-neither-should-you/index.html

According to Scott Brosius kid? My goodness, can we relax before tar and feathering the games best player?

Sss will never tell you anything valuable. I cant get on board with this sentiment. Pitchers hate this more because theres no way for them to cheat back and level the playing field. They could have all done steroids but sign stealing only helps PPs.

He's got zero shot at the HOF now, and I dont want to get into that argument now because the HOF is full of hypocrisy and complete bullshit. This is a sport that has as much bad history as the country, and players have cheated forever...