He_Gawn

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) 99.9% of this conversation wasnt directed at you, its just a conversation of the nonsense He_Gawn has been spouting over the last X years. Youre a reasonable poster, you call it how you see it, I have no problem with your arguments. The point I was making is that Wisconsin over the tenure of Bo Ryan is at least as good as Indiana. Not many Indiana fans are willing to admit Wisconsin was better even for 1 year, its always an excuse. You keep saying how you barely know any Indiana fans, except on this board. Who's refusing to admit Wisconsin has been a better team of late? That whole "moving of the goal post" bulls*** you spewed keeps getting turned back on you, because you clearly have no idea what you're even arguing anymore. Wisconsin has kicked Indiana's ass for the last 5-6 years. You keep saying we're throwing out all these "excuses". Wisconsin has been very solid for years now. Is Indiana dying to be Wisconsin? Hell. No. And before the goal posts get moved again. That's not a slap in the face to Wisconsin. This is as good as Wisconsin has ever been as a program. Indiana fans, along with the program, just want more.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:43 PM) Neither I nor He Gawn ever argued that IU is currently (within the past 3 seasons) devoid of talent. I was merely responding to SB saying "Even at their lowest Indiana is full of players that are supposedly more talented than Wisconsin." That's it. I pointed out IU's three worst years (08-09, 09-10, 10-11) in the middle of the streak to show that his statement was absurd on its face. But he kept babbling about Zeller and moving the goalposts. If you're talking about right now, IU might be more talented (definitely more athletic) than Wisconsin, but its raw. Still a young team that will continue to have its ups and downs, and certainly frustrate me as the year goes on. Spot on.

Who again has said/is saying Indiana is devoid of talent? I also am not criticising Bo Ryan. He's a heck of a coach. Comparable to Gene Keady, though? You bet.

You don't want to be associated with me? DARN. As for who Bo Ryan and Wisconsin are like. They are a carbon copy of Keady and Purdue. Do well in the big ten, flame out in the tournament. Then tell everyone the conference is more important.

I have no problem admitting Wisconsin is much better at not fouling and I was wrong about that. Wisconsin did a great job last night getting out of Yogi Ferrell's way.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 12:42 PM) And lets not forget, you posted this October 16, 2013, but no, you arent obsessed. /giggles Yes, that makes me obsessed. You're coach himself said last night they did have to change the gameplan because of the fouls. I posted about the Cubs last week. I AM OBSESSED.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) I can only speak for this board, and thats not how it works. But who cares, you guys dont envy us anyways, so you have no problem with bottom 8 Big10 finishes and not beating Wisconsin for another 5 years. lol Seriously the most delusional fan base. You cant rush the court and then say that the other team sucks, it doesnt compute. This clearly was a big game for Indiana, it clearly meant something when they won. Why cant you just admit that? Why cant you admit that for the last 10 years Indiana has been below Wisconsin and thats the reason why the fans stormed the court. It doenst take away that you won last night, it doesnt change the score, its just honest. That makes sense. Indiana fans are obsessed with Wisconsin........ But now you're just talking about "this board". All two Indiana fans that post here.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 12:27 PM) Indiana fans are obsessed with Wisconsin. Yes, that's it. Go to an Indiana board at any time they are NOT playing Wisconsin, there's no Wisconsin talk. Go to a Wisconsin board at ANY point in the year, you're finding a thread on Crean and Indiana.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) The point is for the last 6 years Indiana fans have been making excuses. At what point do you just own up to the fact that Indiana isnt on Wisconsin's level? You guys are all so obsessed with Wisconsin. Even Dakich was saying the refs were calling joke fouls on Indiana. But who cares, sometimes you win games you shouldnt, sometimes you lose a game you should. Its not like most people thought Wisconsin would be Big10 champ, in fact to start the season Wisconsin was ranked #21 and Indiana was #24. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball.../1/seasontype/2 Just kind of hilarious that a team that was supposed to be as good as Wisconsin rushed the floor when they beat them. So the point is, you can keep saying Indiana doesnt have talent, but last year they were pre-season #1 and didnt beat Wisconsin. Indiana played a good game and won. On to the next one. lol, butthurt much? WE'RE ALL OBSESSED WITH WISCONSIN!!! Get on Wisconsin's level? Wisconsin has been good under Bo, but come on. No one is striving to be Wisconsin in the postseason. A team that's supposed to be as good as Wisconsin? Who the heck thinks/thought that? Indiana is one of the youngest teams in the country. So the point is, "you keep saying Indiana doesn't have talent"... Can you read, he talked about Creans first 2-3 years when walkons, JUCOS and freshman were playing majority of Indiana's minutes. What does last year have to do with that? The goal last year wasn't to beat Wisconsin. It was to make the final four and have a chance to win it all. It didn't happen, but that's life. I'm not even sure you can even keep up with your own arguements at this point. I'm still laughing at Ryan and Wisconsin crying about fouls. WHAT FOULS? There were like 15 called on Wisconsin ALL NIGHT.

Excuse me for interrupting on the court storm debate (Which is stupid... who cares what a bunch of drunk 20 year old kids are doing)... Just have to drop this awesome quote by Trevon Jackson from last night... "We didn't play well at all, but I think that a lot of that has to do with the way the game was called... A lot of us didn't want to foul … I think that we couldn't really challenge as good as we wanted too because of some of the fouls that were being called." Sounds a lot like Ryan... Wisconsin had 3 fouls with 2:30 left in the 2nd half. 5 fouls with :28 seconds left. WTF are these two talking about? They barely called any fouls... Of course it didn't help their interior defense parted like the Red Sea when Ferrell and Robinson came through.

Nice press conference from Bo Ryan last night... Complained about the refs almost the entire time, then finished with the free throw disparity. Very nice.

I posted that when Sheehey got decked on a dunk and when Vonleh "missed" a layup early in te game. It's evened out. Indiana just missing bunnies.

Wisconsin getting away with murder at Assembly hall. That never happens.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 11, 2014 -> 02:33 PM) Didnt even know they were playing, Big Ten network? Yes, go down 15 early in first half, then later on in the first half... Put in Robinson and Williams... Indiana comes roaring back. Vonleh kept Indiana in it and finished with 19 and 6. Ferrell with 16 and 7 I believe. Honestly was Crean's best coached game of the year.

I have no idea how Indiana just won that game.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 10:37 PM) OSU at Purdue wasn't all that physical at all. Lots of touch fouls and those drives by craft were actually being called. Two different ball games. Not according to PU fans... I'm still hearing about how OSU "got away with murder" at Mackey. I live on campus at Purdue. I just laugh, as Purdue has been playing the foul and complain game since I've been alive.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 10:32 PM) OSU clearly wasn't ready for an old school Big Ten game. That and they get real cold shooting for long stretches. Which is what's so frustrating about B1G games... I've seen MSU beat the s*** out of IU and now OSU... The flip to Minn/PU and other games and watch all the new rule changes "go into affect" and call every touch foul. It's a joke.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 10:23 PM) Much better isn't only giving 5 points at home. They are a better team offensively for sure. If the game is like this, home team will look dominant and MSU has no chance of getting into foul trouble. Sounds like Payne should not even be playing... Harris still not even fully healthy. MSU is damn good. No shame in that. And as I post this... MSU is now blowing OSU out.

MSU is just the much better team. OSU is good, don't get me wrong. But offense wins. Now... Get MSU in foul trouble, anyone can beat them. Their depth sucks. Outside of Harris... Izzo hasn't recruited for s*** in 2 years.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) Maybe Thad will let Crean borrow Bragg for a game or two? ;) Haha that guy is a beast. Think he ends up at UK though. Would think Crean will wait it out a bit and wait for some coaching changes and see who becomes available. Also would be ideal to grab a 5th year transfer from somewhere. They'll be another transfer by years end from a SF/G... Of that I'm sure. I can't see Vonleh staying, but if he does, a very, very big year will be expected again for the team.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 06:23 PM) Aaron Jordan commits. Good recruit and Crean really wanted him. Heck of a pick-up for Illinois. Crean was all over the kid, but became fairly obvious he wasn't coming (a lot like Malachi Richardson) when Blackmon re-committed. With Fischer leaving, Crean's main focus has to be on big men. Need them bad with the backcourt of Ferrell, Blackmon, Robinson, and Johnson in the future.

Yea IU blew that game. Could be a really good team by end of season. Rice was awesome. Get to the NCAA tournament, they can do some serious damage. Key is getting there. Next few games are brutal.

How IU was in that game with 25 TOs I'll never know. Rice just flipped s*** on Crean. Great game

Yogi just got pushed into the second row and Vonleh had a guy fall on him on the rebound. Nice call. Wtf

While I think this is Bo Ryans best overall team to date, I''m still in wait and see mode... The only team Wisconsin has played thus far with a pulse was Florida's JV squad.