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and time to decide if we are changing GMs only because we have to know who is hiring the new manager

so lets agree that we hire nothing that comes from Florida ---

where did JM come from? Wasn't it the marlins?

the college football trash talk zone is open...

just in case someone has something to say

I just noticed your avatar. Very clever! But sick... is that really your plate or get that off the net? There is one local that says "tingm" which of course makes more sense on the actual Spartan license plate than it does in here. That one is as clever as yours, and equally as sick. so 10 points for ingenuity but I would nothing less from Patrick Bateman!

This is kind of addresed to you and CWSox45 - right on both of you for your comments. It is now time that we get a new manager. This season will not be salvaged and long enough of an effort has been given to JM. Without respect to whether it is his fault or not, without any reflection on JM, this team is ready for a change at manager. JM has had a good run, he got us one division championship, it is time for the thak you party, the gold watch, and the new manager named. I am not in a hurry to see a new manager named because last May we were told that KW was on the way out. That never happened. Could be a lot of reasons that it didn't but I have no doubt the information was right when it was given. Sometimes thimgs change in an organization between the time a decision is made and the time it is carried out. I think that is what happened - especially the unexpected event of the arrest of KW's kids. But now the season is essentisally over, do we still have a GM tio be fired? Has KW redeemed his job? I do not know. I have no clue on that. But until that is settled, we should not hire a new manager. The GM who is in place next season should hire the new manager. If it is going to be KW, then KW should hire. If the GM is going to be someone other than KW, that is the person who should hire. This season has gone sadly wrong. We were in it for a while in september - but we have collapsed. It is time for a change.

you can't afford the increase in the insurance - get a lawyer, lawyer will negotiate with states attorney or prosecutor (depending on what state you are in) and plea bargain to something better if not make it go away) the cost of the lawyer you save in insurance and points on your license good luck

That guy really f***ed us over this year. Why was I excited when we traded for him? I bought his Jersey!!!! Luckily they let me take it back for a sure thing in a Maggs jeresy. KW made a HUGE mistake, but i didnt want Foulke back this year. He had a horrible season last year and was happy to see him go. Do i wish i had him back, Yes, but was i happy to see him go at the time, YES exactly the way I felt

so was referring to her as a drunk. Reading and comprehension is a skill. The reference that I made was to you, BMR, drinking. I made no reference to HSC drinking. That is yet another thing that you have gotten wrong tonight. And you are back to your mode at WSI - creating problems and crying foul. HSC, if there were any power trips, some things would be very different. I have your answer. There were good times and for those I am thankful and I offer my prayers for your family for all good things.

And call him out in public on this Michelle, or you and your sons lose a friend forever. The choice is yours and it is now.

Michelle, you call out BMR on this s*** right now or you have lost a friend permanently forever. You make a choice now. If this is what you defend as legitimate awhile you bash WSC, then you go for it.

first of all, anyone is so stupid as to think that 1549 and I are the same person is one stupid paranoid - and probably drunk as well. And I think that defines the debate here perfectly. You couldn't be more wrong. On that or on anything else. It is so laughably absurb. HSC, I am really tired of the crap. Threads have been closed before for personal attacks, by Jason. I am sorry your memory doesn't include that, but it has happened. Go to the thread that was closed. WSC starts off with a baseball site announcement, abo responds with a comment on the site, wsc responds with a comment that makes not much sense to me, and then bmr attacks wsc on a personal level, at its deepest level. Whatever went down in that thread - read it. WSC did not start it. WSC did not start the trash in that thread. No one has been censored, silenced, nothing has been deleted or changed, it is as it is. Now in this thread there is one person and one person alone who makes threats about being board police and what should be tolerated on this board and what shouldn't be and that this poster will make other posters shut up or leave the board. Now that is arrogance supreme and is WSI-style board policing at its best and is everything that you - and bmr - claim to be against. Hypocrasy. So several suppsoedly adult board members gang up to trash a 14 year old and you all think you are entitled to say what you want about the kid but if anyone - such as me- says anything about it, your rights are being violated? Give me a break. Why can't wsc say whatever he wants then? At least he hasn't posted any "you are picking on me denying me my right to attack other posters" posts as this thread is full of. What do we know aboust WSC? He is 14. He has had problems with depression. He has taken medication for depression. His parents are often not at home and his relationship with them is not close at all. He has said some inapprorpriate things. Who hasn't, and what kid hasn't. To attack a 14 year old adolescent who is prone to depression is not a triumph for anyone who claims maturity. Actually what I see is a lot of bullying of a kid who we know gets bullied at school and elsewhere. Why add to that? Put the kid on a mental ignore. Don't heap more abuse on him. What exacty does that solve? Yes, I stuck up for Psycho (oldroman). He was 14 then too. He has grown up. Some people mature faster than others (although I do not think much of adults who trash on a depressed and lonely 14 year old). Psycho has gotten into brawls and I suggest that he has a stronger center core strength to deal with it than WSC does. There are a lot of things that I wish WSC hasn't said but the thread in question was not him starting anything, just responding in kind to the type of vicious attacks that seemingly are ok if made by a friend of yours such as bmr and not ok if from another source. Hell yes, I am calling it as I see it, with no bow to political correctness and with all the other things that are supposed in vogue with those who attack wsc most - especially bmr. If the good times on this board depend on the ability of adults to attack 14 year olds - and I am not talking about disagreeing with wsc on anything, I am talking about the deepest personal attacks - "no one likes you, everyone hates you" type attacks - "I will drive you off the boards" type attacks - if that is what this board depends on, then I am ready to walk away forever. But soxtalk is better than that. Maybe. Jason and Mario intended it that way. But go back and read the thread in question - the personal attacks are not launched by wsc. And the personal attacks and threats to be police and drive posters away are not made by me or WSC - they are made by bmr. I suggest to everyone who is not thrilled with some things that wsc has said to role model appropriate behavior rather than act like school yard bullies. Ignore the kid if nothing else. And HSC and BMR, it is possible to disagree with you. And I do. And that is my right as a poster and as a soxtalk member. And HSC, we have been friends for a number of years. You know the most natural thing in the world for me is to jump in when I see someone being attacked, especially when I see it as a not a fair fight. I will never see BMR's first post to wsc in the closed thread as fair, or a proper way for an adult to talk to a depressed adolescent, especially to initiate that, especially when that adult claims the right to say whatever he wants to say but attacks wsc for the same thing and threatens to drive him off the board. No one - not bmr, not me, any you, not wsc, not anyone has that right. Go back and read the threads and see who is zooming who here. Sometimes wsc needs to stfu. He is not in any way the only one who sometimes need to do that. Go ahead, bmr, take more shots at me. Call me all the names you have called me, call me all the names you have called wsc. Make all the personal attacks. Go ahead anyone else. Post about how I have somehow deprived you of your rights. Post about how I am ruining soxtalk for you. Lets go so far over the top that attacking a 14 yeard old with depression and emotional struggles is a sign of anything good and mature and adult and what wsc should grow up to be like. If wsc were to grow up and post just like bmr on the personal level, how would we know the difference? And since you have made a thread to attack me, how about next time bmr calls me or matthew or anyone else out on orientation issues or in other ways attacks individuals at soxtalk, why not call him out in public? I am angrier than you can ever imagine for the double standard.

1549 and I have been here all day, none of the hiding stuff of a week ago, and that is what you all called on, not on the loss - we are here and it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine! we don't hide, baby, we are M Go Blue proud of our school

that's because you've never been attacked attacking other posters is what is s***ty, really s***ty

we went down fighting - Hail! to the victors valiant!

not on 3rd downs and after our first special team play, not at all there either if that attempt at the fake punt had worked... we come back and show what we've got or we aren't who we want to be I have confidence we come back because of confidence in Carr but if we don't, then that is why I worried about this game for a long, long time

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jeeeeeeeeeessssss no one has taken away anyone's right to say any thing they wanted and you know f***ing well there are no board police so quit that s*** the thread was closed, not deleted it is a judgment call that I am allowed to make, to close a thread when it becomes all and soley personal attack every nasty thing said by every person on whatever side is there and will be there preserved in our archives forever so you will always have it available, forever and ever, amen. not one word, not one, has been censored, deleted, or altered so quit the histrionics about board police and it is clear in that thread who trashed on who first in that thread so history does not need to be re-written and no one exactly covered their self in glory in that one and so a new thread is now here where you get to attack me for bulls*** reasons when nothing has been censored or altered or deleted and I suppose that is progress And in honor of the Beatles thread of recent days: cry baby cry make your mother sigh you're old enough to know better so cry baby cry

It is hardly creative, nor insightful, nor enlightening, nor challenging to rip into WSC. It is tiresome to have a bunch of adults attack a young teen. I have not read this entire thread, just enough to decide that I am so f***ing tired of this s***. He is this! no, he is that but I think he's this but I think he's that the more we adults talk trash about wsc the more adult we are and show how immature wsc is by our trash talk In the immortal words of Barbra Steisand and Donna Summer: Enough is enough. Thread closed.

I'll agree to that much of bmr's post and be aware we are agreeing a lot lately. A poster uses his own picture as an avatar and others make snide comments because they are jealous and/or whatever bmr says. abozichiu, never apologise for being who you are.

which is why I never say St JosE6 is worthless. You have given us great examples of worthlessness. So did KW.

I claim first here, i was against Valentin in 2000 - I liked his bat and cringed over his errors and when the season was over I was very clear that we needed a new shortstop. I wanted ARod - who didn't - or anyone. And we got anyone. And damn it for all Clayton's faults, I still prefered Royce to St. JosE6, who hit lower last season than Clayton and did it again by a bigger margin this year. I also was clear last season I wanted them both gone, and was happy when 1 left and unhappy when the other stayed. BrandoFan bashed me repeatedly all early season with his guarentee that with StJosE6 playing the Sox would play 600 ball. Well, Valentin played at short all year and we didn't play 600 ball now, Brando, did we? When back, you might wish to retract your comments. I want a new shortstop. If the Sox resign Valentin, I will be pissed as hell. I am tired of his lack of production, his mouth, his everything, and especially the salary that he is in line for with us if he stays. And I claim first on wanting him gone. Gone. Gone. Now is the time.

It is a joke, Clarret is an idiot. So is Ligue. Sueing is too easy. It's f***ing sad how the US is now, Clarett messed up and should pay the consequences. Ligue should be in jail. Wow, we have some judical system, eh. oh come on, everyone under 21 who ever had a drink should be in jail and everyone who has drunk and drives should be in jail and that leaves only HSC, YASNY, rex, and winningugly as posters - Gamboa f***led up by not participating in the process when he should have - he chose not to. The sentence Ligue got has been discussed enough - check many old threads. Certainly Gamboa can sue - anyone can sue - that is a strength in this country - the access to the courts to redress alleged wrongs - that is what makes America in large part what it is - read the constitution some time, the real constitution - spends a lot of time on precisely these matters. The right to sue and have justice in the courts separates us from so many other nations, almost all other nations. Gamboa can file for whatever ballpark figure he wants at the start, later on the exact amount of damages sought must be detailed. You can't get $50,000 just because. If their is pain and suffering damages, or a punitive award sort, and damages and costs, that must all be listed and itemized later in upcoming pleadings. The judge if in this civil proceeding finds Ligue liable, then the judge sets the judgment based on law and the evidence presented in court. Assume Gamboa gets a judgment - Ligue doesn't seem very collectable, but that would serve as way to prevent him from profiting on any "as told to" stories to the tabloids, etc., and if Ligue gets a job then installment payments will be ordered. It is important to get that judgment even if Ligue is not collectable because if he ever wins the lottery,whatever... but Gamboa, s HSC said, did not ake part when he should ahve during the criminal proceedings so taht is simpy that. RThe civil remedy is his constitutional recourse now that the criminal phase is done. Remember that OJ was acquitted yet had a judgment rendered against him in a civil action - different standards, different types of adjudication. All in all, we have a pretty great legal system. Which country would you prefer to trade legal systems with?

The proper use is St. JosE6