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No. No. No. Two rules I have: avoid all exCubs and avoid all exTigers and I would add a third and fourth, avoid all exMarlins and exDRays. Once you've been cut from those four teams, you have no where else to go but die because if you were any good at all thoise teams wouldn't lose you. Plus I prefer Carlos who has done some good things for us to a player who has been let go off by some of the worst organizations in baseball.

too bad because this position comes with other benefits too -

a side note: DJ to me is one of our tv broadcasters since he's been called that for a log time. DLo as I call him on my scorecard is a lazy fielder from everything that I have seen, plus I hear things about his bad attitude in the club house and snippy things he has said to his team mates, and that only CLee and Frank's "break it up now asshole" presence in the clubhouse has kept the other 22 members of the team from killing DLo.

damn it, I was hoping you'd go for it

anyone who wants to commit to a lifetime of being my love-slave still has a chance to go...

TommyJohn, SI1020, JimH, thank you for the memory rushes of things I had stored away - now that you post what you ahve, I am remembering things - yeah, i remember the Denver thing with Davis now that you mention it, whole compartments of memory long closed have been opened up - thanks everyone!! How close we came to losing our team - that is why in my heart of hearts I can't get down on JR because if nothing else, the team has not had to go through with this moving scenarios that plagued us from the late 60s until the 80s.

and yes the M word did turn out to be true enough - why the NFL banned him. Veeck was a great guy but he ran an underfunded orgainization both times and traded away a lot of tomorrows for the moment.

yeah, they would have gone at least 20-25 years now. it was a divine gift of heaven that the dibartolo family did not get their hands on the Sox, and once again, thank you Bill Veeck.

I can't keep the Allyn brothers apart either - I think, and this is a guess, Art bought out John, but I am not sure, could very well be the reverse and my media guide is at home. I do remember thanking the savior Allyn borther a lot when he walked around the ball park, as he was wont to do. We used to give him ovations in the left stand grand stand. I was always thankful we didn't sell to diBartolo. Not only the criminal things which got him kicked out of the NFL, but he would have moved us without a second thought.

Whatever league the Grand Rapids White Caps play in (same league as the scrubs Lansing LugNuts with its bird killing pitcher), A level, had its All Star game in Grand Rapids (or as we say, GR) yesterday. The pregame Home Run Derby included Darrel Evans, Andre Dawson, and Ryne Sandberg. It is always good when Darrewl Evans makes an appearance and no one spots any UFOs. Damn he believes some weird s***. Andre Dawson won the home run derby. Ryne Sandberg showed up with cork taped to all of his bats... and Dawson made a big deal about challenging his bats... I love all the former cubbies, like Mark Grace, making fun of sam-me "the world wants me to play" cork bat sosa.

Veeck didn't buy them until the end of the 76 season, right? What was Seattle's first year? Wasn't 70 the year the one Allyn brother bought the team from the other to save us for Chicago - and everyone I now (except JimH) associates 70 with Milwaukee so no need to apologise for that. I do remember talk of moving the Sox to Seattle to settle the suit but we got viable enough again to cause MLB to start a new franchise in Milwaukee rather than move us. Today's young fan has no idea how we rode the roller coaster about losing the Sox for years. That was tougher on me than any win-loss s***. 1970 was also the year what we then called the Jefferson Park el opened - first time we had train service north of Logan Square - today it is the el that goes to O'hare - that was so splendid for us on the NW side. We could finally just hop a train to Sox Park without having to ride a bus across the city to the ravenswood or Broadway and switch trains a million times. It cut like an hour off of our travel time which was a real gift for us Sox fans on the NW side.

you failed to mention John The Hawaiian Pineapple Mattias - so you lose. Some plac e where our memories fail is that every one, myself included, remembers us almost losing the team to Milwaukee in 1970 but we are all wrong the Pilots moved from Seattle to Milwaukee at the end of the 1969 season - check 1970 attendance and there they are in Milwaukee, in 1969, in Seattle attendance I do remember abundent rumors of us losing the Sox and making my friends go with me game after game - so we must have losing them to Denver or elsewhere because I remember the need to save the Sox for Chicago - I think we think of Milwaukee because we almost lost the Sox to Milwaukee at the end of 1969 or early 1970 and were relieved when it was the Pilots that moved and not us - I don't recall that much lead time at all for that franchise moving - that was also the year that the Left Stand Grand Stand Fan Club first got talked about - hell, we had not much else to do in 1970 than organize a cheering section! I remember eating a ton of chicken from the chicken stand in the picnic area under the left stand grand stand. as opposed to today, what I remember was we had fun at the park - we were very lucky there was no internet and thus no place to get all crying and despairing - we were a lousy team (56 wins is at least a qualifier for lousy) but it was not the end of the world - I remember little anger, no fans quitting the Sox, not any of the bulls*** we see today after every loss. No wails of mutha f***in lazy assholes s***. We were just happy to have the Sox and have fun at Sox Park. There was none of the s*** you see today with paper bags over heads and dire threats to management and owners if they didn't fire this one or trade that one. We were much happier then - or maybe things like Vietnam and Laos and Kent State kept a bit of perspective on what were things to have despair over and what not. Also not much to feel bad with about the cubs - it was lkike you have your team and I have mine and I like the Sox damnit just because, noit because one team was "better" than the others. Although cub fans were very obnoxious back then - and I loved it since they collapsed in 1970, not as big as in 69, but they were ahead and folded in 70 as well. But we were not happy and stupid, just happy to be Sox fans, not stupid about our team - everyone I know had an optimistic hope that over the next 3-4 years we would get better. And you are so right about when we hired Tanner that the happiness and optimism was everywhere - there was the 3 year plan - in 1971 we would get back to respectable, in 1972 we would be one of the better teams and in 1973 we would cointend and take it all. To this day the 1973 team is one of my biggest dissapointments becase we did follow the 3 year plan in 71 and 72, we jsut failed in 73. The 77 team was the 73 team we were waiting for, one reason we loved the 77 team so much. Given a chocie between then and now, I still prefer the lot less crying all the time of 70 as opposed to today. Again, maybe it was because the Sox didn't move and we just so happy to still have them. Or maybe we figurerd out early on that we weren't going to contend so might as well enjoy baseball and not slit our wrists with every loss, or wax so passionately about how horrid they were. I remember the 1970 team as very inept despite what on paper looks like a great roster but I also remember it as being fun. The 3 year plan with Tanner - the thrill was so high when he took over from les Moss (interim after Gutteridge) in late 70 season that on opening day 1971 one of the most stunning things ever in WS history happened - but I wil save that for another thread.

I've never had tickets to All Star stuff before so I am psyched to get this stuff! The tickets are rather ugly though - the graphics designer should be disciplined for such ugly tickets

for reasons best known to myself, that was pretty damn funny! and a lot more accurate than you might expect! (by the way, I am...)

if we don't count the last 8 innings, we won 3-0

maybe - he is very unhappy right now

we just discovered at least one AL team bunts better than us...

on the double, the non play at 2nd - Ed farmer was raving that our players failed to align themselves and no one covered second I am just asking what Ed is talking about, as I have no tv game and have no idea what happened

Ed is worked up - who screwed the play at 2nd and failed to cover it?

But no one does main stream homo-erotica as well as A&F... yet true, it is always white people homo-erotica

I am not so sure that Frank did that much wrong - sometimes the umps need to be told they suck (as CK put it) but I fail to understand PK's involvement in this discussion.

no that is called "normal" wasn't that "Risky Business"? it was geographically impossible to do what Cruise and DeMoray (spelling) did in Risky Business. It was red line/blue line/brown line/green line in impossible flash editing. But it was cool... unless you have a deal with the city and a movie crew filiming, you might get arrested though...

that makes sense. Like clujer however said, this is a new word for some of us... but i like it.

I doubt he said that . Might have rhymed with that though. Did I just hear Ed and John say that Sirotka gave a hit someplace? Is he pitching?

I doubt I miss the point at all, but I'd lay odds on you doing so. I also doubt that all killing is equal. If one had a chance to kill Hitler, that may be a different moral level than the torture-murders of Mathew Shephard, or the Richard Speck victims, or the John Gacy victims. I doubt that a member of the armed services on the front lines is of the same moral category of Charles Whitman. And under the law, there are different types of killing from negligent homicde and manslaughter and lesser degrees of murder than 1st. Nothing is simply cut and dried. The victims may all be just as dead. But then, G W Bush ordered the invasion of a country knowing it wqould esult in civilian casualties and friedly fire. Had he not given the order to invade, those people would be alive today. How much killing is he guilty of? The moment you say, that doesn't apply to Bush so he is not a bigger mass murderer than Gacy, you make my point.