Vulture

Apparently the site allows one name change per year. Should make Pants Rowland happy. He seemed a tad salty when PantsRowland suddenly appeared. ☺

Hey fellas, this is Vulture from WSI. Not to be confused with another user named Pants Rowland, difference is he has a space in his name. Not sure if I can change my name. Didn't realize his existed when I registered, but thought I should point it out in case anyone messages me. Glad someone was thinking ahead, nice work 102605!

Nah. Of the top 25 seasons by WAR for Sox pitchers, Sale has zero.

Holy hell. That's a thing of beauty right there. One of the best swings a person would ever see. This guy might end up the best of the bunch.

How do you add someone to your ignore list? Asking for a friend.

That's an older Killebrew with what appears to be beefier shoulders, but damn if they don't otherwise look similar. And check how the catcher has his bare hand exposed to the pitch in the Killebrew shot. Don't see that anymore.

.300/.380/.550 might get him promoted straight from AA

How about Harmon Killebrew then? Practically the same build, Killebrew hit 45 homeruns with regularity in the most dominant pitching era since deadball. Vaughn is bigger than Hank Aaron or Willie Mays. So same size or bigger than three of the top 10 homerun hitters of all time, and those guys played when hitting bombs actually meant something. Similar in size to Muncy who just had back to back 35 HR seasons playing in arguably the best pitcher's park in baseball. Honestly don't know how his power projects but I don't think being six foot even is going to stop him.

If you don't think being able to handle a pitch effects whether a batter gets a hit or not, I don't know what to tell you. That is just total nonsense. contact quality doesn't take into account exit velocity? Sorry, a weakly hit ball is poor contact no matter what your statistical analysis is. A hard hit ball is good contact and results in more hits that is just a plain fact

If it's not quality of contact driven, what else could it be since he put the ball in play regularly throught out his career. Sixteen years of bad luck? BABIP has nothing to do with walks so not sure how that is relevant, the question is balls put in play. Ozzie never put up an OpS better than .660 despite regularly being near the top of mlb in strikeout rate. He like Madrigal could barely get the ball out of the infield, that is exactly the reason he put up poor numbers. Certainly wasn't a lack of contact.

It's quite simple. Hitters get base hits at a higher rate on pitches they can handle and make outs on pitches they can't handle at a much higher rate. Pitches a batter can't handle result in strikes or poor contact. This should be obvious.

Iso is a stat that separates extra base hits, doesn't correlate to what I'm saying. here's a stat line for you from Ozzie Guillen: 4.9% strike out rate .245/.275/.337. So yes it is possible to make contact and produce very poorly due to poor contact. That's about .050 ops points lower than Sanchez. Accoring to your logic he should have been a .300 hitter

Compared to anyone except Madrigal and a few others like Billy Hamilton. I don't think you understand how softly the ball comes off Madrigal's bat. Sanchez can make hard contact if he connects, the problem is he is overmatched. Madrigal isn't capable of hard contact by mlb standards

No I'm not. You said if Yolmer made contact at same rate as Madrigal he would have hit those pitches at same BABIP as he had on pitches he hit for base hits, resulting in a .300+ average. I disagree, presumably Yolmer's BABIP would be much lower on those pitches that were good enough to strike him out compared to those with which he made contact. never said there was a correlation with iso, never even mentioned it. There is a correlation between babip and well hit balls though. Those guys being shifted against are able to make hard contact.

Exactly my point Pickle

Presumably if you made contact with a pitch that struck you out, the contact generally wouldn't be of the caliber of those pitches you are driving for base hits, so I'm not sure that reasoning holds true.

Yeah but Yolmer was actually capable of driving the ball. If Madrigal doesn't hit .300, the net effect will be the same. A very good glove, a pretty good baserunner and a low obp/very low slugging second baseman. Obviously if he is a .300+ hitter he'll be more effective than Yolmer, but I said if he doesn't then he won't be much different in the post you responded to. Simply making contact doesn't make a good hitter if you struggle to get the ball out of the infield, see Ozzie Guillen.

You're comparing a 60 baserunner to probably the greatest of all time, that's what's going on here.

The key point Law made here, "if you can't make hard contact, it's hard to hit .300." If Madrigal doesn't hit .300+, he's not much different than Yolmer, a guy actually capable of hard contact that still struggled to do any better than .650 ops. It appears they have added quite a bit of lengh to Madrigal's stride at the plate since his college days, which looks almost absurd actually, presumably to help generate more power in his swing. To me that says something about concerns to this effect. It's not like he needs homerun power, but he should be able to drive the ball from line to line, and I don't see that from him. To me, he's got bust written all over him, but I guess we'll see. Obviously his ability to get the bat on the ball is impressive, and I still want to see him get the chance to prove me wrong, but I'm not pencilling him as a no doubter like Robert or Jimenez. No way I'd consider him for any kind of extension and hope the Sox have a plan B for 2b.

I don't know what makes people think Madrigal has proven himself worthy of an mlb roster spot let alone an extension. Comparing him to the prospect Kris Bryant was a few years ago is completely laughable.

He's bigger than Willie Mays.

If the guilty parties were suspended there would be no need to block them from the playoffs since they'd have no chance in the first place.

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I'm not sure that is such a given considering Madrigal can barely get the ball out of the infield with the wooden bat. I could definitely see him getting eaten up by major league pitching and needing a few years of struggle before becoming an effective major league hitter. Maybe he adjusts immediately but I could just as easily see a sub .650 ops season coming up