Controlled Chaos

QUOTE(hi8is @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) all you said in your PM was that he called him a "***" what the f*** does that mean. F.A.G

QUOTE(soxunited @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 02:52 PM) I'm really liking Freddy's chances to get another W. His record is 17-6 in interleague games and the Cards offense is positively impotent right now without Pujols. The Sox offense should not be intimidated by Reyes at all. He has pitched 2 major league starts this season in May against the Royals and the Stros. If Reyes can only go 6 innings and give up 3 runs against the Stros, imagine what is going to happen tonight against the Sox. It's not going to be pretty at all for the Cards. Again Anyone know the lineup yet?

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 02:36 PM) The Cardinals can't be this bad. We're just hot right now and they are cold. I still think the Cards are the best team in the NL, and I'm still hoping for a Sox/Cards World Series. Ya hit the nail on the head. We're hot right now...I don't care who we're facing. This is not about the Cards, the Sox have scored 8 or more runs 8 out of their last 10 games. 90 runs over that span. They're freakin...

Oh man...for me this thread is going to be like a car accident on the side of the road. I don't want to look...but.....ugghh I have to!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) That can't be right...? Getting suspended for being a douche..? This place would be a ghost town. Summers Eve Jay

QUOTE(Allsox @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) Real quick question: Doesn't it bother you that Mariotti never stands by what he writes? According to Jay, on a given day, a person (Ozzie) is all wrong, the next day the person is the best thing that ever happened. He NEVER EVER has a consistent opinion or a belief into what he writes. Also, it's not right for him to name call just every sports figure in this town without taking it as well. He is the sole reason I do not subscribe to the Sun-Times simply because I grew tired of his windsocking. The Sun Times is a good train paper...I'm kinda stuck....

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:46 PM) And I'm guessing your guess is 100% wrong. If you're guessing how can you be 100% sure? Wouldn't that not be a guess then?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I'm sure glad we were "real men" and countered in the beanball war, unlike last week. Sure we have a pitcher and our manager suspended for a couple games, but at least we followed baseball code and have our pride. Dam straight!! Why you gotta be a ***!!!

QUOTE(Chip Z @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 01:10 PM) what the hell is a straw man? some type of scarecrow? Straw man From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A straw man argument is a rhetorical technique based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted. Its name is derived from the use of straw men in combat training (see [1]). It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy [2] or a scarecrow argument.

You goin down again redbirds!!

QUOTE(Contreras @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:41 PM) You asked for proof that he constantly flip-flops. I just proved that he's the most wishy-washy worthless f***stain on earth. Again, you lose, and you look 100% ridiculous defending Jay Mariotti in any way...And stop lumping me in with your beinhg a pussy as far as the Sox are concerned. Again and again you post "We all thought this." You're full of s***. You don't represent me or what I thought throughout the course of last season. Who the f*** voted for you to speak for all of us? All the doomsday bulls*** you and your buddy Jay thought had nothing to do with me. Dude...There's a right way and wrong way to do things... You seem to consistently be on the wrong end...maybe you can switch sides??

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) I'm agreeing with you, he's lumping everyone together right there when probably the majority of Sox fans had faith that they'd hold onto the lead last year and not relinquish down the stretch. haha...when you quoted me, I was trying to figure out how I generalized...especially when I said I can't speak for anyone else. miscomunicado my sox brethren!!

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:33 PM) This I take it is November 2004. Um, after that 2004 washout season, why is this such a radical sentiment? That's what I thought. You got him here. Although, nobody thought this was going to work (I personally did think it would). Remember? As Pods says in the WS DVD, everybody had them picked to finish, what, fourth? Again, we all knew from the five hole in 2004 that we couldn't have another one. And at the time, when Clement was up for sale, we all wanted them to jump on it and they didn't. That's how some of us felt on that one--disapppointed, like they weren't serious because of the money. Vizquel you got him on. You got him here--it was premature to write off "the experiment" without letting it unfold first. You definitely got him here. Again, awfully premature for Mariotti to be making these proclamations. Yup, got him here too. Again: WAY too early to be saying this. In 2004, yes. In April of 2005, no. Yes and no. Ozzie's managing is beyond criticism. His mouth, more than a year later... isn't. So now he's coming around, as everybody started to take notice. I'm not seeing what the big offense is here, except that now he has to eat his words from April. Okay, so....? So now the skeptic is on board. And the criticism is...? Hey, I thought he was a Sox-basher 24/7. What gives? This is a wash. Yeah he was proven wrong but is it that off the wall to think what he just said? Um, he said this in JUNE? What was the context? Obviously this is a crow-eating statement. Again, he was ultimately proven wrong but I find it disingenuous for people here to think that they knew all along that this was gonna turn out like it did--now THAT is stretching. Is this the Sox-bashing that everybody's talking about? Guess what: he wasn't saying this about the Cubs. Why is this quote even here? For what purpose? No baseball expert would dispute this statement at that point in time. We ALL thought this at the time. Just because it turned out wrong means it was bad thinking? Huh? I wouldn't go so far as "disaster" but he's got you on this one. Many of us felt this way at the time (about the big bat addition). Not seeing the foul here. Yes this is awfully doomsday, but again: this is what most people thought at the time. Where's the foul here? Except for the ill-timed remark about Jenks. You got him on that one. Even Ozzie said at this time that they were awful. Nobody could. Oakland, Anaheim? We were dreading facing either. And the issue here is... what? He never said Ozzie was a bad manager. Now you're tripping yourself up. And what's so out there about this quote? I'll give you this, quite a reversal from being berated for not trading for Junior. Now THIS is typical Mariotti jumping-the-gun, cashing it all in way too early. Point goes to you. Why is this quote here? Uh, yeah: he's right on about this. You know, I think all your quotes ending up making my point more than yours. Especially those last few. Mariotti is a Sox-hater? Pfft. Thanks though. I rest my case. The blogs are to show him flip flopping. Not every post is negative, it justy shows how he rides the wave. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) ^^^ Talk about a crazy ass generalization right there.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) You're oversimplifying but let's be honest here: we ALL thought they were gonna choke in September, and that was hardly Mariotti alone that was talking that up in the press. And let's face it, up until 2005 there was no reason to think that the Sox would ever win with Reinsdorf as an owner. Not me, that's for sure. Yes through the years he's of course flip/flopped on the story, just like... fans do. Maybe that's what I like: he writes like a fan. Up and down, love 'em, hate 'em--more about emotion than about Sportscenter analysis. I'll be the first to admit, for instance, that I had my eyes closed until the end of September because I was thinking the unthinkable. I just didn't have the venue to write about it. Actually, I did: and I got banned. I can't speak for anyone else, but I did not think that.

Dude, I read him every day too. To call him a Sox fan is totally abusurd. Yeah he has written a few positive articles...nobody here ever said he slams the sox 100% of the time. They're the World Champions if he didn't have a positive article once in a while he would lose what little credibility he has. Even when he does write a positive article he almost always has to get in some kind of a dig. Whether it be a past quote of Ozzie or a past experience at the park or something Reinsdorf did or somethign Kenny did.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:34 AM) Boy, you really didn't read what I wrote, did you? How's that knee? Don't sprain it from jerkin' so fast... Knee's fine. How's your head??

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 10:57 AM) A paper should never censor a columnist? Why? And why have editors then? Just to korrecked speling and gramaticle airrors

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:02 AM) I realize I'm risking the wrath of the entire board and Soxdom in general by not jumping on the Mariotti/Mornotti/whatever bashing-bandwagon, but there's a few things to be pointed out here, IMO. What Ozzie said this week was unbecoming of a manager of a World Series Champion ballclub. To use that kind of guttural language in front of the press, knowing it would be reported, was stupid. Don't get me wrong I LOVE OZZIE TO DEATH but sometimes he can be an idiot, and he's being one now. For all the Mariotti bashing (I read him every day), what's overlooked is that this man has been MORE than fair to the Sox over the past few seasons. The idea that he rips them and champions the Cubs is absurd. While he may call out Ozzie for something like the Tracey episode (or calling that guy in NY a "child molester") or even K.W. last August--wrongly, as it turned out--for not making a trade for a big bat, the man has been talking the Sox up all during 2005 and this year too. He was the guy last year who was telling Chicago to forget the has-been/never-were Cubs and check out the real baseball on the South Side. He was the guy calling KW a genius over the winter for his trades. He was the guy talking up the new Sox as genuinely exciting this year, because everybody knows that we have a chance to repeat. I don't know how much more of a cheerleader this guy's supposed to be, and be objective. What I personally like about Mariotti is that he is unafraid to challenge the sacred cows here in Chicago and rip into teams/ownership that deserve it. This year it's been the Cubs (and rightly so, yes?), but in the past it's been the Bears (any arguments there?), the Bulls (save for the last couple seasons) and probably the Hawks at some point. He was also blistering in his criticisms of the Sox prior to '05 and you know what? He should have been. Yes, he gets things wrong sometimes (famously predicting the Bulls would never win that last championship against Utah, I remember). Yes, his feud with Hawk is idiotic (on both ends). Yes he can be arrogant and a blowhard. But for my money I'd rather see a guy stirring the pot rather than lapsing into the passivity that apparently allows us to continue to suffer owners like the McCaskeys and Wirtz. I WANT a guy who's going to slice and dice the teams when they suck. So apparently this year Mariotti is on Ozzie's hit list because he's criticized Ozzie's behavior here and there. And you know what? That is positively CUBS-LIKE. Oh, you remember, don't you? In 2004 (after the historic 2003 choke) all of a sudden Steve Stone couldn't dare criticize Baker or the team--and when he did, he was either tackled in the press by the team/Baker (ahem) or personally threatened/confronted by players. And that proved to be nothing more than yet another distraction that made sure, among all the other things, that they failed in 2004 as well. As for the Hawk thing, I'm not sure that Mariotti was ever wrong about him. He IS a homer. He IS a mouthpiece for Reinsdorf. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy Hawk, but what's in dispute here? Granted, Mariotti's comments have gotten more personal than that, but on the other end, Hawk spent an entire game the other night reading viewer email about what an asshole Mariotti is. THIS is the kind of thing we need to spend time on as we attempt to repeat as World Champions? Pfft. I doubt it. And as much as I love Ozzie, we don't need to hear him gleefully referring to unliked columnists as "f******* ***gots." At least not publically. Remember his Magglio tirade? That was embarassing. Magglio probably wasn't all innocent in his ultimate departure, but he didn't deserve that. At least not with that kind of language. I'd like to see Mariotti and Ozzie meet and bury the hatchet. Mariotti should be able to write what he wants without worrying about threats from Ozzie. And if Ozzie doesn't like it, he should be able to pick up the phone and call Mariotti and tell him why he thinks he's full of s***. But this nonsense is just getting old. I know Sox fans hate Mariotti, but the man is certainly not the anti-Christ he's made out to be. We need to worry about more important things. Sorry for being a heretic, but that's just how I see it. BTW, though, his suggestion for a two-week suspension for Ozzie is absurd. Now THAT is bulls***. Don't misquote Ozzie he said "f***in f.a.g" Mariotti is an asshole and he knows it and gets paid well for it. You defending him is ridiculous, as he probably wouldn't even defend himself in an honest moment with friends. He knows he goes to the extreme to sell papers. He gets people talking at all costs. He's right along the lines of Skip Bayless.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 09:27 AM) It's for an inning... I'm sure Gene enjoys the break. As for Nancy, she's been at 13 games so far this season which was HER CHOICE. No, she has no right to semi retire....dam you Nancy!!

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 11:40 PM) I'd love to see the reaction on this board if someone called Ozzie a "wetback." Bad example. How about let's see everyones reactions if you called Ozzie a "dago" or a "wop"? I'm guessing nobody would give a s*** and if any Italian said anythign about it they would be told STFU.

Hitting the guts out of the ball. So in the last six games, out of our starters, we had one game where Thome didn't get a hit and last night Dye didn't get hit, other than that every player has a hit in every game. The Sox have scored 8 or more runs in 6 straight and 8 out of their last 10 games. 90 runs over that span. Keep it up boys!!

QUOTE(WinningUgly85 @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) This really pisses me off. When Marriotti says some insulting things about or staff and players he doesn't get suspeneded. Even though it wasn't as far as what Guillen stated but never the less I hold Marriotti to blame. Everyone knows Guillens a loose cannon and the media thrills into prompting him to say these outragous things. Marriotti should be in the same boat if you ask me. Jay can insult the hell out of the Sox and Ozzie so eloquently, so to speak. That's his job...he's a writer. Isn't calling someone out of control and crazy just as slanderous as anythign ozzie has said?? Ozzie isn't a writer he is a baseball player with what I would guess is a pretty limited education. His insults are more raw and offensive. Ozzie didn't say this to be offensive to gays. It's absolutely nuts to me that if he says "pussy" or "asshole" instead of f.a.g, we're not even having this conversation. Take it for what the intent was...not what the PC crowd wants to make it out to be.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) Actually, there are a lot of naughty words that you can type in Soxtalk, but not "***". What if I want to talk about a bundle of twigs? what if we have a thread to see what we can get away with?? I'm kidding mods...I wouldn't do that to you guys!! I mean persons!!

This has been a fun thread...you know what I got out of it??? I can type pussy and not ***. wooohoo

QUOTE(CardsJimEdmonds15 @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) And that's why I'm worried.. not to mention playing the Sox.. oh well we'll take our beatings from ya if we can beat up the Tigers this weekend that sounds like great deal to me! thanks!!