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QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 05:28 AM) It wasn't just anyone it was the leader of the republicans in the senate. Their only goal was to make him a 1 term president, not work with him to fix the country. Despicable. That's what this party has become. Just like Clinton said the guys who just disagreed with Obama and didn't hate them lost their seats and primaries to people that did. It is despicable. I wish those Republicans would all lose their jobs. But I find it impossible to believe there aren't ways to get some of this stuff passed. Isn't that part of the game of politics? Convincing/lobbying the other side? If it is impossible, I guess we're all doomed. Cause four more years of this same s*** is going to cripple everybody. I could see a Depression, not a recession. Too many people out of work and/or having their pay slashed.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 05:30 AM) Just remember what Clinton said. Neither him or any of the presidents before him could have fixed the country in 4 years. Yes, that was a very effective part of his speech. I thought he kicked ass the first 20 minutes. He probably thought it was very important to go through all those specific issues later in the speech and that was important. But it also was the dull part. I listened intently trying to learn something but it definitely was the boring part. Even though there was that lull I don't take points from the speech because Clinton wanted to rebut some points made by Clown Romney and his Young Clown Veep candidate. This article touches on Clinton's best lines if anybody wants a summary. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bill-cl...--election.html Here's what some of the pundits said. They slobbered over the speech like Michelle's but I did like the speech so I'm not as mad as last night CNN's Wolf Blitzer was effusive in his praise. "This may have been the best speech I ever heard Bill Clinton deliver in over all these years, and I listened to so many of his speeches in his eight years as president and in the years that followed," Blitzer said. His CNN colleague David Gergen echoed that sentiment. "He has given speeches in America, there is simply no one better -- this is the most effective and influential speech he has given since leaving the presidency," Gergen said, adding: "He told the Obama story better than Obama ever did." CNN's Alex Castellanos said he believes that Clinton sealed the election for Obama. "This convention is done," he said. "This is the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama." Said CNN's John King: "Like every Clinton speech, it could use an editor. But like every Clinton speech, he hit it on the head with a hammer." King added: "He knows the problems Obama faces with the electorate, and he went at it like a campaign manager." STORY: Bill Clinton Goes All-In for Obama's Reelection in Rousing Speech Speaking to CNN, former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called the speech "spectacular. I think the president laid out all the facts in a very methodical, very personal way. All of it factual." Meanwhile, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell noted that the speech went on for an hour, which was a half-hour longer than scheduled, and said he believed that one of the Obama team's concerns is likely what effect the speech had on TV viewers at home. "It was one of those Clinton tests of a television audience's attention span," O'Donnell said. "He used to do this sometimes with his with his State of the Union address that many of us thought went too long, but his longest State of the Union address -- when the pundit opinion was unanimous that it was too long and lost the audience -- got him his biggest poll jump ever." He added that Clinton ad-libbed at several time during the speech. "The team here completely lost control of the time probably within the first five minutes, but that's probably what made the speech work," O'Donnell said. "When he was reading along with the teleprompter and I saw what he did to it, that was the magic of the speech." STORY: Michelle Obama Receives Rapturous Response During Speech MSNBC's Chris Matthews, meanwhile, said Clinton did what he was supposed to do. "He's a man of the center, and I think he brought the center home tonight," he said. Fox News' Brit Hume was more critical of Clinton, saying his remarks about Medicare in particular were "loaded with all kinds of snake oil." "But this is Bill Clinton," he said. "And it had all the strengths of a standard Clinton speech -- it was engaging, convincing ... but it veered off into policy details at length, was self-indulgent and about 30 percent too long -- par for the course for Clinton." He added that some voters might have been swayed, but "I'm not sure this speech, at this length, was effective." Also on Fox News, Steve Hayes said Clinton delivered a "backward-looking speech, a justification of [Obama's] inability to take us further. ... In a sense, Clinton was explaining Obama's failures, he said nothing about what he's going to do ... to put you in the right direction." STORY: What the Pundits Are Saying About Michelle Obama, Julian Castro Longtime Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, also appearing on Fox News, echoed that thought. "I think Bill Clinton did Barack Obama the biggest favor he ever could have done," he said. Meanwhile, several commentators also hit Twitter to give their opinions. New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof tweeted: “That may have been Clinton's best speech. Explained without talking down, and drew distinctions without nastiness. Wow!” CNN’s Piers Morgan liked the speech so much that he nominated Clinton for another job: “If he can't be President again, can he be British Prime Minister? This is a serious proposition.” And former RNC chairman Michael Steele added: “Clinton hit a home run for Obama. No doubt. No one does Clinton better than Clinton.”

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 05:15 AM) What I am saying is Obama can't help it if the Republican Party sticks with their stance of the only goal being removing Obama from office. They literally stated that was their #1 goal and refused to work with him to make him look as bad as possible so he wouldn't get re elected. I'm not going to find the quotes but Clinton gave it in his speech tonight. The #1 goal of the republican party the last 4 years has been to make sure Obama doesn't get relected when it should of been lets work with him to fix this mess. That's not Obama's fault that's a party being hateful and refusing to work with the leader of their country. Yeah I heard that and I thought it was during the best part of Clinton's speech. He didn't name the guy, but it was the Speaker or somebody said Republicans' only goal should be to make sure Obama doesn't win again. It's probably the press' fault for not getting that guy a one-way ticket to Aruba forever. Making life miserable on the guy. I don't even know who said that, but that guy is a demon. Our economy is a national crisis and it must be fixed. I know of so many people out of work and I could be fired any day. Of course I could.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 05:08 AM) So did he change your mind on how awful a president you claim Obama has been? No. I think Obama has been very blah. Clinton gave me hope that Obama may be able to work with some of the blockhead Republican leaders who hate him. He also gave me hope that maybe Obama can get the economy turned around. I'm not convinced of that, but after listening to Billy I have some hope. Obama will win the election, there's no question about that. I'm just hoping Billy Clinton is right and there is a plan to turn around the economy. Clinton wasn't all pollyanna like michelle was, so it makes me tend to believe him more. He said the deficit can and will cripple our country if we don't make strides to getting it fixed. He said enough to make me not quiver and bang my head against the wall when the tabulations are in and Obama wins in a landslide again. I also think Romney is a wealthy clown and no way I'd vote for him. The only question for me is will I vote at all. If I vote it'd be for Obama. I'm leaning toward not voting at all. But Billy C. made me move closer to voting for Obama rather than obstaining/protesting.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 05:04 AM) Oh give me a break. How the is Obama supposed to unify DC when the Republican goal that they stated and made obvious was to get rid of him? These guys don't disagree with him they hate him. You can compromise on disagreement you cant if someone hates you as a person. So there's no hope? It will be hopeless forever? How did Reagan do it? How did some of the others do it? I am no Poly Sci expert but I do recall a bit throughout history of the President meeting with certain leaders on the other side regarding specific issues, sort of like when the President of the US meets with leaders of other countries. It's about stroking egos and making the public realize that Obama just met with Republican leader so and so and if so and so flat out refuses to help, at least he gets the bad press that goes with it. Politics is a game like anything else. So Kev211, are you saying it's hopeless and the next four years will be more of the same? Obama getting blocked at every juncture with his having NO HOPE of getting anything passed? Great I guess we're all doomed. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm saying this problem seems to have gotten worse. If it's ALL the Republicans' fault, then f*** them. They are ruining our great country; if there's any hope of changing it, Obama better get to work.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 04:56 AM) I think you are making Greg's point for him here. Great leaders rally their troops. Why can't Obama rally a few hundred Congressmen? Or inspire the American people? Where were those speeches that got him elected 4 years ago? Where's the clear direction, the focus? I don't know, he won't tell me. Not saying Romney would be any better, I think he's weak too. Obama is our President but a leader? No way! The average American's lack of faith in Washington is more than ever! Proof! Until a President unifies Washington I'm unimpressed. That will be a great man. That is what I'm trying to say, thanks Jerkssticks. That's it. My personal opinion is there are ways to unify the Republican bastards. From what I understand in the past, it means lobbying. It means meeting personally with some of the Republican bastards and making them feel important and all that and getting their damn support for those bills that are best for the country. Maybe it's impossible. I would pray it's not impossible.

I was hoping to make this a thread asking Soxtalk users to review the convention speech of Bill Clinton. Wow is all I can say. I am ultra impressed that he kept me glued to the TV all but probably five minutes of his 50 minute speech. I thought it was effective, convincing and inspiring. He pointed out that Democrats and Republicans CAN work together for the betterment of the country. He did so in citing instances in which he and Republicans indeed worked together to solve problems. He presented a very strong case why America should elect Obama. And he cited strong examples of the differences between Obama and Romney. I thought his speech was way way way better than Michelle Obama's. Bill Clinton ... what a speech. You sir, deserve an A. Michelle Obama? A B to B-. I'll be interested to hear the pundits' review of the speech. I briefly heard the old guy on NBC say it was fantastic; one guy on FOX said it was too long and he may have gotten some facts wrong; another guy on FOX saying Clinton gave a fantastic presentation; and one woman panelist said a lot of Democrats probably wished Clinton was the nominee.

This comment by Balta should make me look even better in regards to this argument. Great. I am glad he will be fearing sitting in a room 23 hours a day with his only reprieve one hour of sunlight per day. That is just as horrifying a thing as prison rape. So great, if it's more humanitarian, I can state I hope Holmes currently is fearing the possibility of sitting in a cell 23 hours a day the rest of his life. He won't know what day it is, what week it is, what holiday is coming up. He gave up the right to have a life by taking the lives of so many others. Fear that, Mr. Holmes because YOU CHOSE THAT, Mr. Holmes.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:39 PM) What you say implies things, whether you meant for them to or not. Your protestations aside, your position leads to supporting the continuation of prison rape so that "bad people" fear it. That's deplorable. I can't believe my restating my position over and over can't clear up this misrepresentation of me by you.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:22 AM) Question Greg. If Obama really does give the greatest speech of all time Thursday how will you know if you've convinced yourself that he can't and the media is in the bag for him. Obama put himself on the national map for his awesome speech at the 2004 DNC, was that just the media being in the bag for him then or was it great speech? Michelle Obama gave an really good speech last night. Maybe it didn't deserve all the crazy stuff said about it, but it was still really good. She wrote that speech herself and the way she delivered it you could tell she really believed in it that's why I thought it was a really good speech. I don't need the media to form my opinions I watched it and enjoyed it. Now my liberal views may create a bias, but I am not afraid to admit that. I thought her speech was good, but not crazy good or anything. It's nice she's more in love with Sox fan Barack now than ever before. That's great. I like Barack. Like I said, how can you not like a Sox fan? It's great that being President didn't negatively affect her family. Fine. But the speech was OK, nothing worth slobbering over. To tell u the honest truth, I didn't see Mrs. Romney's. I did watch some of Mitt's which was really blah. I thought he was making weird faces as well. he's going to get annihilated in the election. My guess is most of America sees what I see in Mitt: A rich pretty boy who is just not an impressive person (outwardly). As far as your question ... well, I guess I enter the speech incapable of calling it one of the best ever because of one major reason: He's already been President for four years and done a s***ty job IMO. I already know his policies; I already know what he's about. So if he just gives ideological bulls***, or a similar speech like Michelle's in which he talks about his relatives and his upbringing, I think that's bulls***. Because he's an incumbent president who already has a track record. I don't think any of the puffery should be considered by the pundits when rating an incumbent's convention speech. I mean Barack is old news in a sense. I think any stuff of the rah-rah variety should be reserved for his speech four years ago when he stumped for CHANGE. CHANGE that arguably did not happen. All I see in the USA is unemployment right now. Of all the people I know, the job outlook is grim and has been grim. Those with jobs are being treated poorly. Why? Because as their bosses tell them, "You may not get a raise; your health benefits may now suck, but hey YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB." Phooey.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) And they don't play tomorrow, so you are in then too. Then, the Royals come to town. Damn. The Royals. If the Sox are truly serious about winning this thing, you'd think they could sweep KC for once. I hope they get after it at least and compete. There's no reason to not play good, hard nosed, smart baseball and beat KC 2 of 3 or all 3.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:11 AM) Doesn't get on base enough. I'd rather have Quentin hit 3. This is a good year for me on here. People have been praising a lot of Sox I stood up for in the past on here: Quentin, D. Wise all have been getting plenty of love. How bout some love for Pods now?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:45 AM) If you really want to know whether or not this is true, find out where AJ is. If he's having a suspension announced tomorrow, then he's cleaned out his locker and left town. If he's out somewhere in Chicago, then no way he's getting suspended starting tomorrow. That's probably true, but not necessarily. I think Melky had a press conference to apologize, didn't he? Unless it was a statement he issued.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) You are correct when you say that the perception would linger for years after the problem stopped. What makes you a bad guy is endorsing the current situation that leads to that very legitimate perception. You want people like Holmes fearing it, but if it stopped tomorrow, then they wouldn't fear it in, say, 25 years. That implies that you're in favor of rape-as-punishment culture continuing in prisons so that bad people will fear being raped if not actually be raped. Holmes is a bad person, but so is anyone who wants to further rape-as-punishment. The key words here .... "That implies" I've said over and over what I meant and what my stance is, so I'm not implying anything. You guys don't want to address that part of my argument which is crazy. How many times do I have to say it? I'm not implying anything.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:06 PM) It will only take a semi-competent speaker to look better than Romney did, you do understand that right? Obama's #1 quality is that he's a good speaker and people like him. It has nothing to do with media portrayal. But this has nothing to do with Romney. I'm saying without mentioning Romney, the Democrat-laden media will proclaim this speech on its own merit as one of the best ever, or since Kennedy. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:21 PM) Greg is killing me In a good or bad way? QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) PWNDTT What's that mean. At least I apologize unlike some mods (not you) who accused me of something in another thread that I didn't say. Some are too proud to apologize even on a message board; if I err or offend incorrectly I will apologize.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:59 PM) That perception is there because there's a huge amount of prison rape that actually happens. If that wasn't true, there wouldn't be fear of it. Prison rape in America is so prevalent that more men are raped than women in this country. Rape or fear of rape should never be seen as a punishment. My point is even if all prison rape stopped today, which it should cause it's against the law, that the perception (fear) that it could occur would still be out there for the next 25 years or so. Whenever you hear about a child molester going to jail, somebody out there mentions the fact the prison population will be happy to meet this molester up close and personal. That won't change for 50 years even if all rape stopped today. I'm against prison rape, but for people like Holmes fearing it. I don't know why that makes me a bad guy. The bad guy here is Holmes, the scum of the earth in fact is he.

I'll give the Sox credit for winning a series immediately after the Tigers disaster. I'll never balk at 2 of 3.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:06 PM) Lol :lolhitting I know he won't do it, cause he didn't do anything like that regarding Melky, but AJ's power surge this season was hugely dramatic. You gotta admit.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:48 PM) BUMP The catch-all is dreadful. It's clear that it kills discussion on this board. Very true. I am scared to death to start a new thread ever. And believe me, I'd be starting a ton of threads if this board was new-thread-friendly.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:03 PM) Sportsmanship??? So a team starts a player at 3B who can't move and it's poor sportsmanship to bunt towards him? By that logic the Sox could start an injured pitcher and it would be poor sportsmanship for the Tigers to swing at the meatballs he throws up there. Or let's say a team has a catcher that is leading the league in hitting, home runs, RBIs and OBP. But he recently injured his throwing arm so that although it doesn't affect his hitting, he can barely throw the ball back to the pitcher. If the team starts him at Catcher to keep his bat in the lineup, would it be poor sportsmanship for the opposing team to steal second and third every time a runner reaches base? The Tigers wanted to keep Cabrera's bat in the lineup so they started him at 3B even though they knew he probably couldn't field a bunt. There is nothing unsportsmanlike to take advantage of the situation, and it's foolish to let him beat you with his bat and not take advantage of his defenseive shortcomings. Wilber Wood was bunted out of baseball. He could still pitch, but because of the bad wheels, teams bunted against him so much he was done. He simply could not field the position.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Well, that's too bad. If this is true, I wonder if Selig would take the stance of making the Sox forfeit every game AJ hit a homer in after surpassing last year's HR total. If AJ did this, it definitely showed in his power numbers.

Sox have to do this; Q is Humber-like right now. Unless it's something that can be fixed, Q needs an extended time on the bench.

Yay! We win, so I'm still in. I go day to day in my fandom.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:08 PM) Eh hell be lucky if he gets a 5/10 from me (although to be fair I doubt I will watch.) I dont really like Obama's public speaking style, its too vanilla and rehearsed. But then again in the age of the teleprompter you have to kill it for me to really respect the speech. A great speech should come from within, you can prepare, but in the moment you have to feel the environment and make them believe. You just can not effectively do that if you have pre-written the entire speech. There just is no way to feel the response and build on it. Please watch it Badger. I want to see your review because it's going to be the only one that doesn't proclaim it the best speech since Kennedy. Oh there will be comparisons to the greatest speeches of all time. This one will be right up there. The word "trust" will be in it a lot. I would think he'd have a catch phrase like "let me complete the deal!" but that might have some sexual innuendo so he probably can't go there. He'll come up with some good catch phrases. It can't be "change" however. We know that.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:06 PM) that is beyond f***ed up man. sorry you have to be put through that s***. Your story is very sad. I wish you the best. QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:07 PM) owned me? i'm on his side. Ooops. My bad. Apologies.