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QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) It says a lot about your character to be posting jokes in a thread about the tragic death of a little girl at the hands of a despicable sub-human monster. I had to joke after all the I did at the start of this thread. Your story had me terrified. just a snap back reaction sorry... rest assured I would like to see "old sparky" warmed up for this puke....

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) Censorship? Hardly. This board, and most boards are owned by individuals. You are posting here free of charge because somebody loves something enough to give people a place to discuss it, and other like interest. YOU are in somebody else's house. If you came into my house, my actual house, and started doing anything against my house rules, I would throw you out or shut you up. Not to be rude, but that is basically what it boils down to. The owner of this site wants it to be a certain way, if you break the rules of his house, he/she has trusted other people to watch and maintain the place. In this day and age of the internet people seem to like to use the word "censorship", and it gets used wrongly all the time. If you send a letter into a magazine, it gets edited. It isn't "censorship", it is editing. That is what an editor is for. No author ever sees their first draft make it to publishing, and few writers ever do. The board is kind of the same way, these mods are just trying to follow the rules, and follow them the best that they can. If you don't like the "censorship" you will encounter on a board, get some money together, and start your own board. I hit another site all the time. A group of people decided to break away and start a site free of "censorship". Within a month it was the most heavily moderated site I have ever seen, and within 5 months it was a ghost town. You might not like the editing, but it is what helps keeping people coming back. a perspective I didn't think about....

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) Just because they do on their own doesn't mean we condone it. It is actually illegal to provide pornographic materials to kids under 18, and by leaving those kind of posts up on the site, that would indirectly involve Soxtalk in an illegal activity. We don't ask for a lot from you all. We don't allow nudity, personal attacks, and anything discriminatory. After that, pretty much anything goes. And I think if you look around the net, we are pretty liberal for what we do allow. The vast majority of sites, especially baseball message boards, don't allow you near the leeway that we do. as far as "pornography" goes it wasn't that bad... it was just mardi gras/derby infield/girls gone wild type stuff.... and that's what happens at the party cove around the july 4th holiday as well as the labor day holiday every year... so yes there were pictures of nudity, but as far as "porn" I don't think so.... regardless... I've been warned and it won't happen again....

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) Don't you have some censorship to be b****ing about...?? let's all go to the party cove for the july 4th holiday....

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) Don't you have some censorship to be b****ing about...?? now ya know why they censor me

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) LMAO... Wind must have changed directions.. :rolly steff... I kind of agree with jug in the fact that you should read your posts... you are always going after him... ??? JUG... be careful, you always hurt the ones you love, so maybe steff loves you as far as this child molester... bring back "old sparky"..!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) There aren't many rules here but it's been a long standing one concerning nudity. It's not really that hard to avoid breaking it... "nobody told me what zero-tolerance was"... bobby knight...

I thought who's on first....

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) Add this to the meltdown goin on in lets see about 5 different threads right now.... And the reason why there is no nudity on this site....HMMMMMMMMM lets see...average age of the posters on this site is probably about 18 or 19...that means there are a large contingent of high school age kids posting on here... This is the world wide web there are millions of message boards where you can post all the nudity you want. A White Sox Fan board is hardly one of them... So go find your rosary beads and take a hike mea culpa...

censorship on the internet??? i don't get it... second time in a week a thread of mine was erased... after MB's scare on monday I started a thread titled 2006... it was and still is my opinion that if mark goes down the sox will finish at best third place.. but, instead of people addressing my opinion, albeit an overreaction because the situation wasn't fully known, my opinion is deleted.... ????? then I post a topic about a "festival" in the Ozarks with a link, I guess I should have warned about the link, but the forum I posted it in already warns readers.. "Tired of talking baseball? Not in the mood to hear about the Bears losing another game? Then come in here to talk about whatever the heck you want. From politics to carpet samples, this is the place for your non-sporting needs. But be sure to bring your thick skin" but your skin doesn't have to be that thick cause the aboz will censor it for you... if I am wrong mea culpa. but is censorship the way to go ????

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) You posted a link to a site with nudity, that is why. Check your pm, as I sent you a response as to why exactly it was removed. Thank you. oh-no nudity... where are my rosary beads...

for some reason this topic disappeared??? this is the SEX, lies, and politics thread???? but anywho... the ozarks are a great time for july 4th weekend... google party cove to find the website...

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 10:24 AM) I really think it was an honest question. Sleepy joined late January and might not have seen him post before. No need to be jumping down each other's throats yet .

QUOTE(mreye @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) That's disrespectful, IMHO. I think nuke could have given a real answer not some elitest "I've been here longer than you crap"

QUOTE(mreye @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) Who are these newbies giving Nuke s***? A lot of class they have. This guy's been out doing the toughest job in the world and they have the gall to be assholes like that? That truely pisses me off! :headshake Good to have ya back, Nuke. Glad to see you're safe! newbies... plural??? one guy asked who he is.... unless you were refering to me... cause I was born yesterday.... maybe sleepywhitesox really don't know nuke, and would like to find out who he is???

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) Schiavo's Law - what we have learned in the past 2 days is that those who were against this law grossly overstated it's intent & use. All this law really does is provide persons in Terri's state the same rights that death row inmates have. The key being that there is must be at least 1 convincing argument as to why a person's rights to due process were violated & why the case deserves an extensive review. That's it. Hardly a tool for the US Congress to control the tubes so to speak. Ultimately the fault lies with the FL legislature & Gov Bush. He should have steered the legislature towards changing the guardianship laws before the case came before Greer. Whether Michael is evil or good he did follow the letter of the law & was smart to defer Terri's right to die to the judge. As far as the state of FL was concerned w/out a legislative action Greer was the final say on Terri's life. What is somewhat overlooked by the media is that following that decision Michael's side has not really been involved. This is all about Greer's decision & the Schindlers desire to overturn it. If Michael were to suddenly change his mind & seek Terri's right-to-live I don't think that it would change anything. There just isn't enough time. He would have to file a motion stating new evidence has come to his attention believing that Terri would have choosen to life. But that extraordinary reversal would not move quickly through the courts. FL's legislature needed to act before Greer assumed that role & it didn't. You can blame Michael for not fighting for Terri's right to live in light of all the doubt being talked about but once Greer assumed his role in this Michael's part ended. His side was simply prepared to file an appeal in the event Greer's decision was overturned or Schiavo's Law had led to an extensive review of the case. They may still act. There is the possibility of the Schindlers pursuing a wrongful death suit in this case. With all the sworn testimony that has been filed to cast doubt that alone will lead to an extensive review of the case. If the FL legislature were to strip Michael of his guardianship rights with a change in the law that would serve as a symbolic gesture of were the state of FL stands on that doubt. Those rights might be worth millions. In life & in death Terri is & will be considered a celebrity. Even without a wrongful death suit the book & movie rights to her story will be worth millions. I would expect Michael to fight hard to retain those rights. dude you really need a hobby... turn off the TV already...

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 09:09 AM) As this case continues to play out it's unwinding more & more like a Hollywood tragedy & you have to start asking where we all these people since Aug, 2004? The news media hasn't just made Terri Schiavo the top story. They've made it the biggest story since the Gulf War. On both FOX & MSNBC it's nearly all Terri all the time. A big part of that is because the Catholic Church & the Vatican have been so focused on this case & with the Pope's own health ailing that intensifies the coverage. The net effect of all this is that the nation is learning a lot about the dissenting opinion in this case: - a large number of PVS cases are usually misdiagnosed - PET scans short of exploratory surgery are the best means to diagnose - testimony by care givers claiming Michael wanted her to die before he even filed a motion to remove the tubes, - questions surrounded her bulima The list goes on & on & on. The media is certainly doing it's job of raising the spectrum on reasonable doubt in this case. The book Kate's Journey & the author is touring the news ckt because she was a PVS that made it back. She says they misdiagnosed her case early on to such a degree that she was feeling pain during the surgery for her feeding tubes. She was not put under beforehand. Her husband was told there was no hope & he shouldn't bother with rehabilitation but her husband felt her right to live was strong & he went ahead with it. She got better & over 9 yrs she made her way back. When all of this comes to your attention you can't help think about your own sister in this case. He makes your heart cry out for Terri & it creates a serious cloud of doubt over Michael. But be that as it may Terri's life is not more important than the rule of law. As a right leaning social moderate my mind has come to grips with my heart that Terri is going to die because the efforts of the people fighting for her right-to-live have done to little to late. Mainly the FL legislature & Gov Bush. maybe you should try needle point or model cars or something... there's a reason it's called the boob tube...

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 08:52 PM) Hannity & Combes: 1-Terri has never had an MRI or a PET which would present a much clearer picture of her condition. 2-There is the possibility that in the event of Terri's death Bobby Schindler will pursue a murder charge against Michael Schiavo. 3- Bobby Schindler stated that what the Federal law does is afford right-to-life patients the same rights that convicted killers receive on death row. That is the right to question whether due process rights were violated in the state's deliberation of the case. 4- They are awaiting on a decision by the Federal Court of Appeals in ATL as to whether the tube is to be re-inserted. 5- Carla Sauer Iyer has very damaging testimony against Schiavo. Her sworn affidavit states that Schiavo would ask when she is going to die, how long before she dies, & why hasn't she died yet in 1995-1996. She likewise stated that Terri was noticeably upset after Michael's visits in 1995-1996. Carla also indicates that Terri actually was speaking small words after that time. There are two more affidavits by care givers supporting Carla's testimony. She appearently said "Mommy help me." There have been 33 medical professionals who have observed Terri who do not believe that Terri is in a PVS. We're looking at this from colored classes but it's a different experience if you are there live watching your sister looking worse & worse as each day goes by. Even if I was a neurosurgeon & knew better I would cling to any hope even if it was less than 1% to keep my sister alive if I thought deep down inside that's what she wanted. I don't know if this helps but we've talked about this extensively over the weekend. We both believe in sci-tech's future & the leap's our society will make in the decades to come. That's heavily influencing our decision. Our living will: If either of us should find ourselves in a state where our right-to-die rights are called into question we choose right-to-live. The only exception being that of unanimous medical opinion in conjunction with either herself or me that we are experiencing intolerable pain. When you pursue a field in science, engineering, R&D, there is one central theme that should follow you throughout your life: nothing is impossible. We don't look upon limits as universal but rather temporary. They exist simply because we lack the knowledge to overcome them. JUG... fox news..??? fair and balanced :puke

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) Is anyone else sick of this already? I am and I also dont like the fact that Congress and the president are meddling in this. I think they have more important things to worry about. I with ya...

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) Someone who's been here a lot longer than you. we're happy for ya'

flackseed oil just isn't what it used to be...

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) They're racist and don't want a black man with the HR record aaron isn't black????

who knows Dr. Jones, maybe in a thousand years, you to will be worth something.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 01:58 PM) http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/tdocs/part2.htm Homologous artificial insemination within marriage cannot be admitted except for those cases in which the technical means is not a substitute for the conjugal act but serves to facilitate and to help so that the act attains its natural purpose. http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1090180451119 Reminder of where to get the DETAILED FACTS on the Schiavo case. Summary of political lines of thought on this matter: social liberals - support Michael's right to kill & cremate his wife over regardless of his being engaged to another woman & fathering two of her children social conservatives - the right to life trumps the right to die in nearly all circumstances social moderates - Call into question whether Michael should have remained Terri's guardian when he became formally engaged to another woman. He could not legally marry her w/out divorcing his wife & it would seem the $ he was awarded outside of Terri's medical care costs was the driving factor in not divorcing Terri at the time. some people have too much free time.....

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 22, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) I'll need to check the Catholic Cathechism. I don't think it's cut & dry like that. I think there are exceptions for spouses who want children but prove to have fertility problems. It's definitely unacceptable for non-spouses & persons outside of the marriage. Surrogate mothers would be included in that. artificial insemination(sp? one of these times I'll look up the spelling ) is not allowed. I have some friends that looked into it. the reason is that doctors will harvest several eggs to increase the odds of success, and the church is concerned with what happens to all the harvested eggs.