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I'm aware. It's quite possible Thorpe outperforms his FIP every year like Buehrle and Hendricks did, but those two are unicorns.

Now I'm one for actual run prevention, but his FIP/xFIP suggest this isn't likely to continue. Thorpe's FIP is 4.98 and xFIP is 5.37

What have the Sox done in the last 15 years to give a fan any sort of hope?

I think they got a fair deal. I did not think that Thorpe's fastball would play in mlb and it's still early. He only had 1 strikeout yesterday and he's not missing enough bats. The contact allowed will eventually catch up with him.

If they are, Sox fans will be disappointed in the return.

Neither will move then.

Mike Cameron is probably the most similar, except he was consistently a gold glove CF. Robert has more power but fewer walks, while being inconsistent defensively from season to season.

hahaha that was the most Eloy AB ever.

My argument was that for the majority of his career, Cease has underperformed his FIP consistently. I brought up Vazquez because he's another example of that, that Sox fans know well. Cease, in reality is a mid rotation pitcher that stays healthy. I don't think it's too out of touch to say that. And the last 2 seasons he's been closer to a #4. Last year I could have bought the shitty D argument but now that he's on another team it's time to admit the dude just gives up too many runs to be a TOR starter. Getz did well in the trade.

what is his career ERA if you remove the 2022 anomaly? Cease, outside of that 4.01 3.91 4.58 4.24

Cease has had one outstanding year surrounded by a lot of meh. Again, a lot like Javy.

I'm talking about a guy that consistently has an ERA higher than his FIP and people are like "he's good actually" Vazquez had good years too, but at some point actual run prevention matters.

This reminds me of the Javy Vazquez discourse.

I thought they had fucked him up forever, I'm talking about back in 2020-21. Hahn completely mismanaged Crochet. Also, I'm not sure he'd be this good without the cutter he added this year.

Robert had a ridiculously low BABIP a week or two ago. Was under .200 This is just normalization.

If Carlos Rodon did it after his littany of injuries, I don't see why Crochet can't too.

We were telling everyone.

Crochet could be a complete unicorn, a true ace free at 27. Probably the biggest FA contract for a pitcher ever. It is what it is.

Gotta pay for Benintendi somehow /JR

FU to Rick and Jerry.

This is exactly why I was pounding the table for him in 2020 and i was excited af that he fell to them. If not for Covid he might have been a 1-1 candidate. It's really a shame that injuries and Hahn screwed this up, and he will be spending the majority of his career on another team. Sox gonna Sox. Rick Hahn squandered an ace. It's also very clear he's a better starter than reliever.

What the hell happened to Iriarte? He was so good to start the season and then the wheels just came completely off in June.

He has to keep it up the rest of the season to avoid being non-tendered, imo.

BTW, the one year he had control(2017) I thought Alec Hansen was probably going to be the best pitcher of the group. Unfortunately in 2018 he got injured in Spring Training and lost it again forever.

Lopez/Giolito/Kopech/Cease all had higher ceilings as prospects than the majority of the guys they have now.