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To be fair, I had to check to see if the poster (@spiderman) that you were replying to brought up what the Tigers did after their 2003 season. Because outside of a similar record setting losing season, it didn’t really make sense to even mention. But the kicker of it all is that you actually said, “I don't know if Getz has that going for him, right now.” Yes, you DO know, as we ALL know, that Getz does not have that going for him right now because Jerry isn’t approving an increase in payroll for next season. All the reports have been that the Sox will scale down to a $100 million dollar payroll for 2025.

Be careful. Another poster may yell at you about bringing up that JR press conference again…

Yep, and all the old guys in that scene are Sox scouts…

Looks like he is the VP of a car dealership in Oak Lawn, as well as an Assistant Scouting Director for the White Sox. It also looks like he retweeted a Barstoolsports Dave Portnoy review for a pizza place in Oak Lawn. Maybe he’s a multi-tasker? 🤣 His Twitter page lists both roles but it looks like he doesn’t have his White Sox career listed on his LinkedIn page so maybe he left? UPDATE: Garrett Guest is listed as the Assistant Director of Amateur Scouting on the White Sox Front Office webpage, but haven’t there been instances where this site was out-of-date in the past? https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrett-guest-96b549182

Here are all four guys from that video which was dated June 3rd, 2018. I checked their LinkedIn pages and other sources and it looks like they are all still employed by the Sox. Below are their current titles and years with the Sox. 1.) Nick Hosteter (Special Assistant to the GM) - 20+ years with Sox 2.) J.J. Lally (Crosschecker) — 25+ years with Sox 3.) Garrett Guest (Assistant Director of Amateur Scouting; VP / Dealer Principal of South Oak Jeep, Dodge, and Ram) — ??? years with Sox 4.) Nathan Durst (Professional Scout) — 27+ years with Sox Would it be crazy to bring in some scouts from other organizations? I realize it’s not all on them but what have these guys proven to be good at in 20+ years? They seem to be more Jerry lifers.

Now it just needs several holes drilled into the bottom of it. That’s what carrying water for the White Sox is truly like.

Does that leave them at zero now? 🤣

The favors that Grandal and Moncada both received was getting overpaid for their production and health, or lack there of. I really hope this isn’t a thing.

Regardless of what JR said, Getz had experience with this organization so he would know the current players better than an outside hire. This would be an accurate assumption, no? And “a bad record”? How about a historically bad, record setting season? Don’t minimize it! Getz is going to do what no GM before him could accomplish, whether they were trying to win or tanking intentionally! Now that’s truly impressive! I also don’t think you can just assume that Hahn/KW prevented Getz from changing things, one way or the other. Perhaps Getz simply didn’t want to rock the boat in his previous position? But props to him for changing things now. Finally, I don’t like Getz because the majority of his moves have been terrible, not because of a Reinsdorf press conference. The narrative that Getz is a bad GM remains alive because the majority of his moves have sucked.

Yes, and he also helped build the Astros into a powerhouse when he joined them in 2011 and they were in the dumps. But I see your point.

Sizemore don’t quit, even when he probably shouldn’t have taken the job to begin with. Poor bastard.

Developed Seby Zavala — a 3rd string catcher; DFA twice this season by the Mariners and currently playing for their AAA team. Acquired a potentially lockdown bullpen in the offseason — not even close. Acquired numerous trade deadline flip candidates in the offseason, including Soroka, Flexen, Brebbia, Lopez, etc. — Hard nope.

I admitted that JR’s press conference was a joke, but Getz still had an advantage of knowing the Sox organization and both its minor and major league players over an outside GM hire. Your question was, “What if Dombrowski was GM of the White Sox and had traded for Dominic Fletcher?” Why should I answer such a ridiculous question? It isn’t a reasonable question because we aren’t living in the Twilight Zone where JR brings in a big expensive name for GM. This would never happen, and you know this. And I also couldn’t predict if he would trade for Fletcher or not, but I doubt he would. Dombrowski was always about making big splashes in trades. But I still have no idea if Fletcher is the type of player he would like in a smaller deal. However, I do know that Getz traded for Fletcher. That actually happened and is not hypothetical. And holy hyperbole Batman, when did I ever say acquiring Tucker and Smith-Njigba would equate to a World Series or that one was ever promised? Reinsdorf didn’t promise a record-setting shitshow of a season under Getz either, yet here we are… But it is funny how quickly you resort to gaslighting when you can’t debate your point. Here is something that IS true — YOU tried to use a small sample size of the Sox record over 25 games or so to show that they weren’t as bad as they are. That hasn’t aged very well. Vargas is not a small sample size. He basically has a full season of plate appearances in his career with two teams at this point. He looks terrible with the bat and his glove is atrocious as well. Fletcher has about half that, but I don’t see any good offensive qualities in him, even though his glove looks good. He has almost non-existent power for a guy whose primary position looks to be RF.

He’s no doubt getting his buyout at the end of the season and will sign elsewhere. What is the benefit to seeing what he has left?

Okay, fine. Then let’s take a look at exactly whom Getz chose to spend money on. It looks like he spent a total of $38.85 million on a majority of players that were either cut, terrible, or injured. Quite honestly, we should all be happy that Getz didn’t have an additional $60 million to spend — or at least Jerry should be — because he would have more than likely wasted it. However, does this fit or is this just more trash to “push my narrative”? But now you threw up the ultimate defense for Getz — “You don't write a check, throw it on the field, and that check wins games.” So now we can’t judge our GM for whom he chooses to acquire with his payroll? Fedde — $7.5 million (1 of 3 good acquisitions but traded for a terrible bat/glove player) Brebbia — $5.5 million (DFA) Lopez — $4.3 million (no team wanted him at TDL or on waivers) Maldonado — $4.25 million (DFA) Pham — $3.5 (spare junk included in bad Fedde trade) Clevinger — $3 million (injured and done for season) Soroka — $3 million (5.23 ERA; injured) Hill — $1.8 million (DFA; great with Yankees now) Flexen — $1.75 million (5.36 ERA; no team wanted him at TDL) DeJong — $1.75 million (2nd good acquisition; good trade for reliever) Grossman — $1.5 million (3rd good acquisition; good trade for reliever) Pillar — $1 million (DFA)

Oh, wow, you mean Luhnow actually helped develop some of the talent that turned the Astros around after those two horrible years? I guess we just have to wait a little longer for Getz’s equivalent successes.

JR said that one advantage to promoting Getz was that he knew the team already, and even though this was mostly a BS reason given for promoting him, there is still some truth to it. So yes, Getz had an advantage over someone being hired from the outside. Getz has been with the Sox since 2017 as the director of player development, so logically he would have had an advantage over an external GM hire who never had an inside assessment or view of the organization. But while your hypotheticals are a fun rabbit hole [excuse] to go down, Dombrowski unfortunately isn’t the Sox GM and we have no clue if he would have acquired a scrub like Fletcher. But we all do know for a fact that Getz DID indeed acquire Fletcher, and even chose him over a better player in Jake McCarthy, because his assistant GM Barfield is apparently as bad as he is at evaluating players. And I expected Fletcher and Vargas to both be .900 OPS star players? These two scrubs can’t even manage to be league average players, much less reach a .650 OPS, but nice hyperbole…

You could’ve posted the best picture of “Stone Pony”… his Playgirl pictorial. ❤️

Do you remember what those Astros teams’ opening day payrolls were in 2012 and 2013? The 2012 Astros had around a $60 million dollar opening day payroll. The Sox were at around $181 million last year and $123 million this year to start the seasons. Hell, Getz basically spent as much in his first offseason as what the 2013 Astros opening day payroll was — around $26 million. Your comparison isn’t really a close one. You can argue inflation to some extent but it won’t account for that kind of difference in money and payrolls from 11 years ago. Unless you were actually trying to prove that Getz did even worse than Luhnow, actually epically record-setting bad, with far more money spent on his roster. The fact is that Getz did far worse than Luhnow in the first year of his rebuild while spending far more money. But I guess he did acquire franchise “cornerstones” in Fletcher and Vargas, so we should give him some credit!

I assume Peavy was referring to his own experiences while a player for the Sox? If that’s true, the Sox have been doing this since at least the 2013 season (Peavy’s last season with the Sox).

It didn’t age well but it’s still true. That was his first home run of the season through 174 plate appearances. It was also only the third home run of his career in 276 total plate appearances. He definitely is not a home run hitter, but hopefully he has more power than Nicky Lopez…

Wow, a terrible player with zero power repeats his recent terrible season with no homeruns and you acquire him, overpay him, and all but announce he’s your starting 2B after you acquire him? That’s some quality GM’ing! Even better that you already saw a similar player in Madrigal with higher draft stock and quickly dumped his ass.

Too bad the deadline is over. Maybe they would want Vaughn? 😶

Uhhh, yeah, just be careful when googling that name. But it might already be blocked in Commie China.

Yep, we just got rid of one worthless player (when he isn’t hitting and due to his terrible glove) for another. Sad.