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QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 07:29 PM) Yes. Their website sucks ( especially on mobile )... My recommendation is an app called tunein radio. It's great. that is a recommendation i can live with. i will look into..... many thanks/

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 07:28 PM) White Sox Live is just a talk show. Probably will have a few guests. foot in mouth disease for me. sorry. i was excited, i thought it was the game. i am dieing to know how Danish is doing.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 07:20 PM) Score doing a White Sox Live show tonight 6-8. which split squad will that be, do you know??? i wonder, does the score broadcast over the internet??

Atl made an offer to Cuban player - Olivera, i wonder what the offer is.

I have to really give him the credit to doing this. He saw the writing and acted the way he thought best. Best of Luck to him. a classy way to go.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 05:41 PM) He threw 123 innings last year between college and the minors. I'm saying that going from throwing 123 innings to throwing 150-160 is not that big of a push and unless you push him he will never be able to throw 200+. You saying he should only 75-100 innings this year is pretty absurd. At that rate it would take him 3 or 4 years to get to 200 innings. of major league innings. get him ready, again the coaches will know more. but the idea for me, have him pitch to improve his overall game, and if needed to pitch with a fresh arm in the playoff. the sox can't assume that none of their SP's will not be injuried. grooming him to pitch and if the talent level is there to continue in the playoff. it is grooming a pitcher who can build on his success at the major league level. yes a team in the playoff needs the Ace's to carry them, but they also need the other pitchers to conceivable give the team with a great possibility to win as well. not to be a black hole. so how are you going to assume he is ready to pitch those 120+ innings, just b/c he was a good college pitcher. btw how bout sticking to a number of what you expect him to pitch, you are making me dizzy with you changing them. btw QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) Sale pitched a grand total of 10.1 innings in the minors before being called. Rodon pitched 24.1 last year. I don't think anybody is expecting Rodon to start right away and be the ace of the staff, but most, I think, feel he will be better than Danks or Noesi right off the bat. He pitched 123 innings last year and 132.1 the year before that. I don't think there is any reason to believe that he can't throw 150-160 innings this year. You really only need 3 starters in the playoffs so if the Sox get there they won't have to worry about burning out Rodon's arm. so are you telling me, you are assuming that since Sale has quick success, Rodon should do the same? injuries happen all time. the org does not need to compound it by overloading his work load, b/c a previous pitcher had success.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) Having him go from 123 innings to 150 innings is not rushing him. That is the way you build endurance. You push yourself a little further every time/year. the best way to build endurance is in the minors, where a mistake will not cause damages. that is when the coaches will decide when to bring him up. now you are saying 123 - 150 innings. a far cry from 150 + innings you posted earlier. QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) Sale pitched a grand total of 10.1 innings in the minors before being called. Rodon pitched 24.1 last year. I don't think anybody is expecting Rodon to start right away and be the ace of the staff, but most, I think, feel he will be better than Danks or Noesi right off the bat. He pitched 123 innings last year and 132.1 the year before that. I don't think there is any reason to believe that he can't throw 150-160 innings this year. You really only need 3 starters in the playoffs so if the Sox get there they won't have to worry about burning out Rodon's arm. btw, how many innings did he pitched in the minors????

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) Absolutely correct on that assumption. that is an assumption that i would rather deal with an certainty. if the sox has a good load of prospects, that is 1 thing, but the sox do not, plus i would deal with a fact, a player, a pitcher with who has a history who can help the team esp in the playoff.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 05:15 PM) Sale pitched a grand total of 10.1 innings in the minors before being called. Rodon pitched 24.1 last year. I don't think anybody is expecting Rodon to start right away and be the ace of the staff, but most, I think, feel he will be better than Danks or Noesi right off the bat. He pitched 123 innings last year and 132.1 the year before that. I don't think there is any reason to believe that he can't throw 150-160 innings this year. You really only need 3 starters in the playoffs so if the Sox get there they won't have to worry about burning out Rodon's arm. then you really need to read other people post, b/c many in the past months has said he will come in and pitch. ref to pitching 150+ why is there rally a need to rush him, if he was having endurance problem last yr, how will he build up to those innings, just b/c he was a very good college pitcher?? as i said, i was surprise at Sale and how they handle him. that is why, the coaches will know what to do, we as fans can only guess, which many are doing with Rodon. penciling him and thinking or assuming he will step in and pitched for whomever is nothing but wishful thinking. lets get thru spring training.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 11:29 PM) He is just working on things. yeah, how to walk to the dugout in a stylish fashion after striking out.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Lee already said he is probably done(retiring) if his elbow needs surgery as a player, i hope he is ok. he was a good pitcher and competitor.

Danish's game is one 1 would really like to follow today. can't wait.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) That isn't necessarily the case. For whatever reason I can't find IP leaders from the NCAA site for last year, but that could just as easily mean that his coach uses him for a lot of innings in the starts that he gets. esp in the 1 game toward the end of the season where he threw something like 145 pitches?? i mention this in a post of how the coaches can screw up a pitcher.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) It is also different because they pitch once a week, not every 5 days. I would think 150-170 innings are about as many as the White Sox would want Rodon to throw in 2015. They have to get the extra year service time, it makes zero sense not to get that. It isn't like Boras will remember you did him a solid and cut you a break later. After that though, if he shows he is one of your top 5 starters, you have to put him in the rotation if you are trying to win, and figure out the innings then. Maybe move him to the bullpen when he is closing on his limit. But not having one of your top 5 starters starting games when you are trying to win makes no sense. Who knows, maybe he gets lit up in Charlotte and they play the same game next year. wow, that is a lot of innings for an untried rookie. i was thinking 75-100 innings, while learning or developing his pitches and building up endurance.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) I'll say I straight up disagree on your 2nd paragraph. Take a look at your own argument. Rodon was tired not because he threw a lot of innings but because his pitch counts were high. In other words, he was throwing a lot of pitches, not translating that into a lot of innings, and wound up with fatigue because of it. Is that something you seriously expect to improve while jumping directly from college ball to the big leagues? Big league hitters don't get themselves out easier than guys in college. Based on that set of statements you just, IMO, made an even more convincing case that Rodon for those 20 starts isn't a good idea and that he not only needs time to get stretched out but he has more work to do to be ready for the big leagues, at least for the first couple months. If all Rodon is going to give us is 20 starts and he can't be "Chris Sale dominant" in those 20 starts because he's putting up high pitch counts and not lasting 6+ innings, then we don't need Rodon to help us in the race, we need Rodon to get better and be ready to be a fill in when we need him in the rotation. In fact, based on what you just said, Rodon would not be in a position to "help us in the race" especially if he can't go more than 20 starts. Pitching a guy 20 starts and then expecting someone else who isn't stretched out to fill in for him is nonsense moreso than what you decided to call nonsense on my part. i agree, the thing is, many are unrealistically expecting him just to pick up the ball and give the sox a 150+ innings and playoff. just as many were expecting to come in and just pitch in the majors, without any trail time. come on now. no -one pitcher is going to come in and pitch those innings. even Sale who i thought did it faster than i thought he would, spent time in the minors. i say, let him develop, let the coaches do what they know, let the sox org concentrate fielding this team for the run in 2015 playoff. if after the first month, reanalyze the situation and think it out. but lets not hope that the sox will put all their eggs in a basket now. anyways, the sox FO will do the smart thing.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) Awesome post. I think that Rodon should be called up after the extra year of service time is guaranteed, 20 big leauge starts would be ideal with him moving to the bullpen for the playoffs, since you can empty a four man rotation. The thing that intrigues me the most about the Rodon situation is that if he gets called up and is performing well, along with the other members of the rotation, he gives the Sox some trade possibilities should they feel the need to make a move because he makes guys like Noessi and (especially) Danks expendable If the Sox feel like they need to upgrade in an certain or if they want to add more depth to the farm. this is pretty much like last yrs discussion. Danks can't be moved b/c of his contract.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 02:55 AM) Starting 2B or bust!!! interesting thought. i like it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) 3-3 Tie/ Final Danish starting tomorrow. No TV. oh man, i can't wait to see how Danish does.....

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 10, 2015 -> 02:35 AM) With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline. I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender. the season is long and it is going to be hard. this team needs to think about resting the starting 5 pitchers with a limited pitch count. yes, i agree that this team first needs to make the playoff, but it is not going to happen in the first 2 months. the race will intensify towards the end of the season. let me ask this question, how many of the present starting 5 pitchers has pitched in the playoff? how many have pitched long innings, innings in the area of 190+ and more considering the amount of playoff games they will play? how many innings does anyone can expect from Rodon, who is a rookie, who had a dead arm last yr, he will need to build up to those long innings?? i agree with Balta, spread those innings smartly with a full rotation, to save up innings, to save the arm for the longer haul, the playoff. yeah, first the team needs to make it, and i have faith. while drinking my sox kool-aid. lastly, there is no right or wrong formula, to get pitchers and the team ready for the playoff, and this team does not have any previous experience. so it is flying by the seat of the pants and hope the FO is and will do it right.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 07:09 PM) I'm pretty sure you could find me saying Rodon is the perfect 6th starter last year before we even traded for Samardzija. well, thanks for your honesty. i would like to think about it, like the st of MO slogan, "LET HIM SHOW ME."

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) No, Rodon is the front runner to hold down the fort. Rodon coming up and doing a start, or several starts, I have absolutely zero problem with. Carlos Rodon is penciled in as possibly the best or 2nd best 6th starter in the league and that's exactly what he should be to start the season. The team and the pitching coach who has done a good job with these things in the past have both voiced confidence in Danks and Noesi. Assuming no more injuries during spring training, Danks and Noesi are the 4 and 5 starters in some order and there's some upside possible with both. If either of them are terrible their first several times out, then perhaps by the time May is coming around you start looking at how Rodon is doing in the minors and if he's clearly outshining the people around him you say fine, bring him up and deal with the extra rest he'll need. If someone has an injury though, Rodon should be the #1 guy expected to fill in. If Sale has to miss his first start of the year they can probably get by with a single offday for that since there are always 2 offdays built into the first week, but if he's out more than a week, Carlos Rodon should absolutely get that start. Beck and Penny and maybe EJ/Carroll are your #7/#8/#9 starters and if we're relying on our #8 starter to pitch us into the playoffs then bigger things have gone wrong and no team that has to go that far into its depth is going to look very good anywhere. With Rodon as a reasonable 6th starter/first fillin guy, we have as solid of a replacement plan for a starting pitcher on a short term injury as any other team in baseball. and you and i assume many others are making this assessment after 1 spring training game??? ~~~ EDIT - oops i meant this for another post.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) IMO, keeping Chris Sale healthy is the #1 key to this season. He's already having an issue with that, even though it's not with his arm. We shouldn't be ridiculous about it, we should push to get him over 200 innings, but we also shouldn't be crazy with him. If we're using Mr. "offday" for Rodon, then that means extra starts for everyone else in the rotation. The rest of the rotation doesn't get an extra 5th or 6th day rest, they just go every 4th day and you assume that they'll be ok. That's what I call being stupid with the guys. If you need to shift Sale around at the end of the year, or use Mr Offday to skip a start once because you need Chris to pitch the team into the playoffs, fine, but if Chris has already pitched 220 innings because he had to work every 5th day so Rodon could get his extra rest, that's at best a roll of the dice. Are you ready to put 250-260 innings on Sale's arm in order to make a playoff run? Is having Rodon up really worth that? That's what I call "not being dumb" with the guys. When you have a guy who has had elbow soreness complaints in 2 of his 3 seasons as a starter and a long DL trip last year, don't be dumb with him. Pitch him every time his spot comes up in the rotation, but use the normal 5 man rotation. Let him have extra rest 1/2 of the times he pitches because there's an offday. Don't just assume his arm will be able to take everything you throw at it. If he's going to get hurt during a normal season, fine it was meant to happen. If he's picking up the slack so that you could have a rookie in the rotation and his arm starts getting sore, is the rookie in the rotation a big enough upgrade that you're ok missing Sale for a while? No. sorry for having write this long explanation, which i agree with you. now this is what i was talking about a couple of weeks ago, when there was the huge discussion of the sox ownership and their priorities. i leave the rest of that statement unanswered. so to look at a viable options, how come they the FO went looking and addressing the pen, but didn't want to add the sp's?? i just can't understand that. even last week someone said or mention in passing that the sox wasn't planning on using Rodon, but the slight injury to Sale, might rush that. so as of right now, EJ, Beck, Carrol are the front runner to hold down the fort. that is not an encouraging group to put faith in. don't get me wrong, to pitch or to being able to pitch in the majors is an accomplishment, but the sox needs someone better. i guess, they will look at the waiver list again. all this crap to save money, money that is........... well you know my rant. peace

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 05:46 PM) Rather agree. Would feel better if he said June. Any further delay pretty much torches his season. I guess I'm slightly more optimistic about Crain. acquiring talent.... that is the best scenario, let the players separate themselves. it just makes this team even stronger, come playoff time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) I'd just like to stress one more time that "extra work for chris sale because we're skipping the rookie as Mr. Offday" sounds like an equally bad idea. Perhaps worse. i know what you wrote and many time i can understand but pls, do not take this wrong, i don't understand. for my simple mind, can you pls dummy it down, pls

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) I think "arbitrarily write him off" is an extremely poor summation of his argument. ok, i will bite, but pls let me state that this was not an argument but for me a discussion in philosophy and how baseball org may see things. now, my main point is, how can one judge players / prospects when one is still in the minors and have yet to reach their potential? yet comparing him to a player today and stating that he will not reach the same level of talent. that can be construe as an arbitrarily statement. then again, i failed english many times in school or else i would have several college degrees.