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the sox nations, the fans of the sox are a different breed. we don't really care about the token signing of players to show, "hey look here we are spending money", sign up and see the games. I think the fans will demand a winner to be fielded. an actual attempt to put a winner on the field. all the formula's that people in the past have done, doesn't really work for the the sox fans. I would like to say while we demanding are a smart group of sports fans who want to see a winner.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 06:07 PM) A lot of misinformation will come out starting tomorrow. Teams will leak reports of a slow bat, etc. Lots of misinformation to confuse people or attempt to scare people. Happens quite often in the major international FA market. yeah, but next yrs int'l pool looks very exciting, Vlad son and others that will be coming out. next yr I hope the sox will over spend in their limit. but with ref to Yoan, if by signing him, ruins our chances for next yr. I don't know I think I will sign him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 07:20 PM) Didn't take it personally, just was pointing out that it is subjective by nature. There is no magic formula. Glad you liked the link. It didn't take long to put it together, because really, most of the FS writers are already familiar with all of that information. I just happened to take the time to write it down. and this is exactly why I can't see any other sports site having a nice (great) forum. all the extra's that you guys do. good job

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 04:14 PM) Adams has front of the rotation upside with his stuff. Many people had Spencer Adams rated in the 20's. Pretend that the Sox were picking #26 overall and took Adams. Don't you think he'd be in the top 5? Adams like Adolfo has yet but saw several games. that is several pro games. I am or I should say I really like them as players / prospects. the rating is kind of hard for some, esp Adolfo. in my amateurish attempt of rating the top 10, has Adams starting anywhere in the 6-9. Adolfo at 11 . now with the graduation of the other prospects to the majors. I can see Adams jumping to 3-5 range and Adolfo 5-7. now with ref to the mlb draft. I was totally surprise that Adams was there in the 2nr rd. it was a great pick with huge upside.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 03:50 PM) It is subjective by nature - that isn't a problem, that is what it is. There are no specific, measureable criteria that tell you what you need to know. It is an amalgam of many things, and all the advanced stats in the world won't change that (they just add to the color). Read this. I agree and will say this. there can be a huge discrepancy when looking at players. I guess there is no right or wrong way to rate them. I am now going to ask a question that is not related to this. I hope you didn't take my comments I wrote personally. I wasn't saying this about you or future sox crew. I was talking about those who get paid to do it for a living. the mock draft experts. btw, I read the link. nice work. how long did it take to come up with everything in there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) According to Forbes this year's total not available yet: 10.7 million profit 2011 22.9 million profit 2012 2.7 million loss 2013 They didn't make the $26 million and $27 million profit Forbes claims they made the 2 seasons before Dunn, but they did alright, especially since breaking even is the goal. that for the break down. I am surprise that they had a lost in 2013.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) I think Sorkin is behind it being the last season. then I stand corrected. many thanks for that update. I didn't know that, no wonder it had that west wing feel.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 02:04 PM) According to Forbes, they made a profit every year since the 2001 season feature Jose Canseco. The cumulative you are right in that but forbes doesn't break down the operational profit and lost with ref to season ticket holders and ticket sales. they are talking about the whole bottom line.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) A BIG part of that was also the chairman trying to keep ozzie/save ozzie's job. again you are prob right. I can't remember that yr, damn it is a b**** getting old.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) I disagree with all of the above. The fans of the white sox barely care if at all about free agent moves. They don't appear until you have a team that performs on the field. you are correct, but again you need to put that product in the field, to acquire it. at this time it needs to be done thru free agency. the above list will be the trickle down situation if such moves were made by the sox.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) I don't see how they can realistically compete with some of the other big players in the market who are already over the limits, as those organizations already have no compelling reason NOT to go for broke with a Moncada signing. A lot depends on whether he's freed up to sign before or after June 15th, 2015. There are five clubs with significant resources and no fear of losing the ability to sign anyone else...and I'm just not sure the White Sox can take that approach with a player who probably wouldn't be in the big leagues until 2017 or 2018. It's an interesting decision for the team that eventually signs him, in the face of all the financial penalties and signing limitations they'll face. nice post..... however I have a feeling that if the sox are close in their bid, he might just pick the sox. I will always argue this point and the point is, Jose A is that icon for a lot of Cuban players before and I will as expect it to be now with the awards he won.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:45 PM) I think they did have an expected potential loss the year they signed Dunn and I think they did wind up losing money that year IIRC, or at the least were very close to it. They did so because they were hoping that selling playoff tickets in conjunction with season tickets the next year would make up for that potential loss. That's not an incorrect thought line if your team is in a position where 1 player can potentially be the difference between making and missing the playoffs and its a good explanation for why big ticket FAs are so often overpaid - they are being paid based on their ability to make a big difference during that 1 year period. That year's white sox are also a prime example of what can go wrong with that line of thinking - it destroyed the ability of the team to be major FA players to fill holes for the next 3 years. didn't someone posted last wk that the sox did loose money that yr. but that yr everything that could go wrong, did. wasn't it the sox brass who was trying to make 1 last push for a WS before rebuilding?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:47 PM) You already have potentially 4 lefties, why sign another? you are correct, but think outside the box and to hell with the left right concept. you will be investing in a pitcher who is a #1 capable SP. if that is what the market leave you, just make the best of it.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) If the front office can convince Sox fans they're serious about being competitive next year, Sox fans will buy more tickets and the incremental revenue will offset payroll the increase. That will be their basis for increasing payroll and there will be no expected loss. This will all be factored into their budget, which is forward looking, not based solely on history. What happened the year they added Dunn and went "all-in"? Why didn't they have an expected loss that season? this is a good point. the sox in the past has always used that as a crutch but today fans are a lot smarter and can see thru all that. esp when the magazines come out and tell the whole financial wealth of the org.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) Yeah, clearly you didn't take Finance 101. The rule applies to all businesses, especially the White Sox. Provide a product your customer actually wants or they will have no reason to buy it from you. This means investing in the quality of your product, or in the White Sox's case, trying to build a team that can actually win next year. If the front office can convince Sox fans they're serious about being competitive next year, Sox fans will buy more tickets and the incremental revenue will offset payroll the increase. That will be their basis for increasing payroll and there will be no expected loss. This will all be factored into their budget, which is forward looking, not based solely on history. What happened the year they added Dunn and went "all-in"? Why didn't they have an expected loss that season? I know you think because you read some Forbes valuation article that you're an expert of their financials, but based on everything that's been communicated this offseason I think you're completely in the wrong on this subject. Last year's payroll is not reflective of what they can spend this year or going forward. with all due respect, I like what you are writing about, but I have to counter what you are saying here. Finance 101 about the rules of business is all fine and dandy. I have always argued this point the many past discussion. however when dealing with the sox org and how they come across, there policy comes from JR. it always appears that he will spend what the previous yr profit from the fan base allows him to do. Hence this yr entering the offseason. the sox org mention how the fan base with the season ticket holder wasn't there to allow them to spend but up to 90 in salary.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Another reason to consider Scherzer: what happens if Sale does eventually blow out his elbow? A rotation of Sale-Scherzer-Quintana-Rodon-Noesi is much more capable of absorbing that blow than Sale-Quintana-Noesi-Danks-Bassitt/Rodon. here is another option. how bout Lester, wouldn't he be able to do just as well??

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:17 PM) Yes, but this one player would cripple our minor league spending for two seasons AND essentially be a doubling down of a $30 million deal to a $45-60 million gamble (putting all of the eggs in one basket) because of the built-in fines and penalties. I get a little confuse with the yrs involve in the penalty. some poster posted something last wk on whether it would benefit the sox to make the move of overspending in the draft. so when will be the a good time, considering the other major mlb teams. next yr right??? or will doing it for this player be the time?

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) No problem. I couldn't remember if they were posted or not. the way news was coming, even if it was done before, it was a great reminder. many thanks from me, as a fan of sox baseball.

if half of the rumors goes down that involve the sox. the sox will have improve greatly. I don't care what anyone will counter with my next statement. but .... kind you imagine the side affects of the above statement will have??? ~ all the team who will expected to make a run for the AL playoff will have to improve their team as well ~ the AL Central will really have to spin what they have to make improvement to their team ~ the fan base of the sox will go crazy ~ mlb baseball will really start to showcase the team ~ the NL while not in the same situation will have to take notice ~ LASTLY the north siders will really need to make a splash so they will not loose to the sox anything from fans, advertising, popularity, etc.....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) lol. This isn't Finance 101. This is an established business with a long history of doing the same thing over and over again. The next time they go into the season with an expected loss will be the first one. but it is an interesting thought. with these major players in there prime, they may go all in. (I know I posted this before) as I said, maybe just maybe JR will take this chance.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) Isn't his agent Boras? Another reason to think there is. 99.999999% chance he signs with another team. exactly that is why I am surprise at first when I heard of sox interest. but then again, we are talking about Hahn. he will want Scherzer to get the max in yrs, so it is 1 contract. has anybody heard of some org asking several fa's to consider 3 yrs contracts. I heard it on the radio down here, but for the life of me I don't know they might be talking about. I read that maybe Tomas may get a 3 yr contract. I wonder who the player may be. it was not clear and pretty static some I am wondering if it was their announcer idea, I don't know.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 11, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) I liked premiere. I don't care how hot Olivia Munn is, she's a pretty bad actress on the show. No emotion and monotonous. the whole cast is great this show kind of remind me of west wing in the beginning. I mean with all the actors and actress, with the different story line. it was said that this is the last season. Jeff Daniel wants off. I hope I am wrong.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 05:03 AM) One of my girlfriend and I's favorite shows. She was pretty upset that it doesn't come back on until Feb. yes I totally agree, I was a fan since the first esp. I really enjoyed that fact that they continue to come out with great story lines. good writer are worth what they are paying. sometimes when a show take off, they cut back on the staff to save money and making the better profit. but this show doesn't appear to have done that.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 06:11 AM) I'm always kind of surprised the quests browsing the forum seem to always outnumber the members whenever I look . Like now even though its late in Chicago 36 people browsing the forum 28 of which are guests. I guess it is a sense of flattery. coping from the best. the best is soxtalk.

QUOTE (striker @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 03:46 AM) If you trade Ramirez, who plays SS? Siemen for 1 yr, hopefully Anderson will be ready to step in by then.