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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:51 PM) LOL. The best 50 players in baseball will be on the Dodgers & Cubs rosters and all of the other idiot GMs will be left to fight for the scraps. and the sCrubs will still not win a WS.

I read the article. great and in depth article. a couple of surprise there esp on Thompson. I am glad. I like the little jab of Adam Engel for his habit of tweaking his batting.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 06:02 PM) I don't know if anyone posted it here, but I saw a reference a few days ago from a scouting type describing Jefferson Olacio's throwing mechanics looking like three small children stacked up and wearing Dad's trench coat. do you have a link..... sounds interesting.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) I like it. Of course we all know Jethro retired following his trade to Oakland.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) His fastball is pretty straight, but that's not a huge problem for a left handed reliever with a decent second pitch (which he has). Righties would hit him very well, but lefties can struggle against that type of repertoire. Either way, he's likely going to be in Charlotte all year and will be the 3rd or 4th lefty, which means he won't get called up until September unless injuries strike. well I am not writing him off. thanks.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) This has kinda morphed into a bullpen thread so I'll bring this up here. Last year Hahn brought in a bunch of guys that didn't give up the long ball. If that philosophy (If it was indeed a philosophy) continues then none of K-Rod, Romo, or Janssen make sense. All rank in the "top" 20 in HR/9, Gregerson comes in at 60th while pitching predominately in a pitchers ballpark. Conversely, Andrew Miller ranked 47th in least HR/9....Zach Duke 51st I'm fairly content with the RH relievers sans maybe a closer, but Burke Badenhop(4th) and Joba Chamberlin(44th) are the only other FAs in the top 50 of least HR/9. that was 1 stat I wasn't even considering. but nice research. got me thinking on the RH pitcher.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) It can't really be perform to your best though. Incentives can be based on playing time and awards, so while the awards make that to some extent, it would primarily be based on games pitched. $4 million base and an additional $500k for 35, 45, 55, 60, 65, and 70 games pitches. Possible total of an additional $3 mill and, assuming he's healthy, $6 million is easily within reach. nice catch. still it is a nice option to have.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) I'm just talking about down the line. I think that he should start the season in the minors and be called up around the all star break, or be given 100IP in the majors. most definitely. but I think the sox need that starting pitcher in the beginning of the season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:48 PM) Here's the thread where everyone agrees he would be a terrible pickup. thanks now I feel like an idiot. but I wonder if those who posted weren't clear enuf on their answer?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:40 PM) No, but the money has to match up greg. You want to bring in a #3-4 starter in Mark Buehrle. I love Mark Buehrle, but he's not going to put the Sox over the top and he's going to make $19 million this year. If the Sox have $50 million to spend, you just spent 40% of it on an area where you can find someone for 1/2 that price (or less) to fill that whole, and that player is a guy who could just as easily be gone or much worse in 2016. That is not a wise allocation of resources. You don't bring in Elvis Andrus at $15 million a year not because he isn't worth it, but because the Sox don't have a need at SS. There are times where it would make sense for the White Sox to acquire Andrus but the chance that scenario does not arise is 99.9999%. Basic economic theory suggests that the highest bidder will buy the product given such limited supply. Consider the White Sox have Alexei Ramirez under contract for the next 2 years, a couple guys in Semien and Sanchez who can play the position, and two others in Anderson and Rondon who have much higher ceilings at the position, the Sox desire to acquire Elvis Andrus is entirely based what sort of competitive advantage he'd offer the White Sox. Frankly, that advantage is limited by Alexei Ramirez's presence right now, so it would really only make sense for the Sox to acquire him if they 1) traded Ramirez, 2) didn't believe Semien or Sanchez could handle it in the short term, 3) don't believe Anderson or Rondon can handle it long-term, 4) believe that Andrus will bounce back to his early career production both offensively and defensively, AND 5) believe that the cost (primarily the player(s) they'd have to give up) will be worth it. That is slim to none. No one has any problem bringing in high priced players, but you don't just willy nilly bring in guys who are making a lot of money because they are supposedly good. They have to make sense. A couple guys that have been brought up are Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier with the Sox also including John Danks, but it's not ultimately clear if the Sox could make that move. The Sox have been connected with Pablo Sandoval, Victor Martinez, and Andrew Miller, all guys who will make a lot of money. There are several others too whom they'll kick the tires on. The Sox can spend a lot of money, but it has to make sense. You don't just spend money to spend money. That's how you end up paying Josh Hamilton $89 million over the final 3 years of his contract. nice reading post and correct. I would like to add team that falls in love with there players and feel the need to reward them often puts that team in a position that they can't be moved. ~ like Phillies, with some pitchers and Howard ~ dodgers with their outfield ~ tor with Mark Buehrle ~ sox with Danks. (but that was an injury) now getting Mark B whose contract is 19 mil this yr or dodgers adding another bad contract or prospect to help out a trade is going to be the theme this offseason. how to entice a team to take that contract. Andrus is not worth the time for the sox unless Alexei is traded and / or they would add another player to take on Elvis contract.

If I wrote this already in another thread, sorry for doing it twice. I wish there was a sox catch all. yesterday I was reading on mlb rumors that the Phillies are looking to trade Howard and will be willing to eat a big portion of his salary. 2 questions. does anyone think he will be a good pickup for the sox and does anyone know what kind of shoulder injury he has?

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:32 PM) Imagine this rotation: Sale Syndergaard Quintana Rodon Noessi They could even make someone like a Quintana available, or one of the guys at the minors. I wouldn't count on Sydergaard in the majors just yet. last season he took a little step back in his quest to make it to the majors. something out his pitches and command. I don't quite remember. I think the article was in MILB under Mets.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) I've got mixed feelings on Snodgress. Lefties who can throw a decent fastball and a curve are valuable, but he hasn't been able to throw strikes consistently, or miss many bats. I wouldn't write him off yet by any means, but I don't see him contributing in 2015. Smith is a guy I like more than some others, but likely as a bat-first backup. Which is harder to make work when he hits right-handed. He has some mechanical issues hitting, but those can be worked out and I think the bat will play in the majors at the catching position. Defensively, he has a strong arm and throws guys out enough, but reports on his receiving are not great. Pitcher handling has been said to be good. No useful info on framing that I've seen yet. In some ways he profiles similarly to Phegley (but more athletic). interesting on Snodgress. I thought I read his fastball had little to no movement. so with that, if true, I didn't think he will make it. I truly hope I am wrong. I want all sox prospects to make it, a very unrealistic opinion. Smith, I was hoping that he would improve and we, the fans can see it in AZL. he is still young.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:17 PM) I think any contract Hochevar signs is going to be incredibly laden with incentives. which will even be better. "perform to your best and get a better contract".

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) He's worth 5-10 Adolfo's, which are basically lottery tickets that usually don't turn out. do you really think that???? is he worth at 60 mill ??? how many yrs are attached to those bids?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 04:15 PM) We can get it gaged, but nobody will like what happens when it gets gaged. New sayings happen when things get gaged, the english language changes when things get gaged. ok, my English or lack of got the better of me.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:03 PM) The Sox should not worry about Anderson until he is ready to make his Sox debut which is likely at least a year away. As I've said before, when Anderson is ready, the Sox will find a spot for him. Anderson may not end up at SS anyway. If Anderson does prove to be a SS, then slide Andrus over to second or possibly even third. As far as I'm concerned, second base is open until someone shows its their position. There will be no gimmies to Sanchez, Semien or Johnson. thanks..... but I was being rhetorical..... in other words a smart arse. which it appears to fail. oh well.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) I'm not sure about the percentages, but I've always thought walk-ups made up a relatively small portion of our total ticket sales. Maybe it's different for other baseball teams, I can't really say. for me, I don't know. is there a way to really gage that or will that be internal?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) If all the truly elite talent is snatched up for over the limit doesn't the signing period then just become a huge crapshoot betting on 16 yrs olds and how they develope ? a good point, but I am betting on next yr draft. a lot of talent there. I wonder if the Cuban talent has pretty much even out yet.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 02:22 PM) Isn't there talk of going to an international draft in the next couple of years? If so, who knows if these penalties will somehow carry over to the new system. that has yet to be determine, wasn't that 1 or the reason the Yanks destroyed their int'l draft salary cap last draft.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:38 PM) I am just torn on Miller. There's no doubt that he has the stuff, but 2014 was the first time he really harnassed his control. If that wildness comes back, he's just another reliever. Given that someone always overpays for bullpen help, I feel like the price will end up way too high for me to want the Sox to sign him. I am with you on this, that is why I was very reluctant to come up with any answer in the beginning. I still think there are many other options avail.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) For Syndergaard and a low level prospect or INTL $, I would send the Mets: Alexi and Chris Beck. not a bad idea.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) I like the idea. The Sox could try throwing Sanchez into the discussions, since he has more idefensive infield versatility than Flores, and see what the Mets think. Maybe then the Sox stand a chance at one of Wheeler, Snydergaard, Montero. I really doubt it but I wonder if there's any chance at all that the Mets would have interest in Viciedo or even Jordan Danks as throw ins. lol, lets not get tooooo greedy. I the sox threw in Sanchez, then I would most assuredly a Reynolds kind of second player.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) Syndergaard for Alexei would be an absolute steal. I'd be willing to throw in another piece too if that's what it took. Losing Alexei would suck, but adding a guy like Syndergaard would set up our rotation incredibly well for the next five years. It would also give us more financial flexibility to fix the offense/bullpen and make it easier to trade a guy like Montas or Danish in a package for an impact bat. esp at a cost control salary, providing options with the extra salary savings. sweet deal if done.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) He is the Executive Vice President of the White Sox, that is his specific role. He has a lot of input on this team, just like Hahn I wonder if he went to scope out Yoan??? the last time he scope out a Cuban player sox got Jose A.