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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 01:17 PM) As we have been alluding to, we don't know yet. It seems he will, but until he plays more, we simply won't know because we absolutely can't know. He does have the tools to do so. don't get me wrong, on his "D" I am very guilty of wanting to see improvement fast. I know that, I just can't help it that I am obsessed with numbers, continuing new numbers. ugh....everything is life is soooo slow.

here is another interesting point, Many still haven't given up hope on Davidson. good, he still might turn it around. I have him like 14-15 on a list. next spring is going to be interesting on how many perform.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) If you haven't read this, it is great. SSS reviews 23 potential free agents... as items in the SkyMall catalog. man it was so kool. I laugh really hard. I don't if he intended to be tongue in cheek humor or not. but it is funny. then again maybe it is me. thanks for sharing. still I needed the laugh.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:36 PM) While I wasn't besotted with Davidson as a prospect (largely because of his meager stats in the PCL), this is how I felt. I feel a big majority of the board was in agreeance with this as well. I like it. nice word. but what surprise me, first with Davidson, is the PCL that bad or was the competition not as strong? the 2nd thing, this thread has a lot of good reading and opinions.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 11:10 PM) So, for now, its just assumed Fernandez has defected. Thanks for clarifying. Not sure about his upside but I'm curious myself. I like that he's a contact hitter that strikes out very little. I wonder if he can play in the outfield.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 03:04 AM) Absolutely man. I think there are some better and more interesting ideas on this board. jeeze, how many posters post here? I am sure many have differing opinions. the guys cover so much material. that is why I have always said, the sox fans are very informed. I find it very funny how some things we post here find it way to others articles. however I posted the article with its link. interesting reading.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 12:33 AM) The one guy who should be up for top 10 consideration but is missing from every list is Jacob May. He had an excellent 2nd half putting up a slash line of .288/.374/.469/.843 with a BB:SO ratio of 25:27. Throw in solid defense in CF and excellent speed (37 SBs last year) and you have one of the more exciting prospects in the system. In fact, going through the system right now, I'd actually put him at #10. Top 15 Prospects 1. Carlos Rodon, LHP 2. Tim Anderson, SS 3. Micah Johnson, 2B 4. Frank Montas, RHP 5. Tyler Danish, RHP 6. Courtney Hawkins, RF 7. Spencer Adams, RHP 8. Carlos Sanchez, 2B/SS 9. Matt Davison, 3B 10. Jacob May, CF 11. Rangel Ravelo, 1B 12. Trey Michalczewski, 3B 13. Chris Bassitt, RHP 14. Micker Aldalfo, OF 15. Chris Beck, RHP interesting. opinion. I debated long and hard about him. he may be in the next wave of prospects listing. need to see another yr of same or better numbers. another interesting name being mention not only from you but from other posters.it is Beck. I really had high hope, but then other prospect moved up ahead of him. still that doesn't mean he won't make the parent club. good job.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 12:18 AM) My thing is, that history was in 2011 and Jackson has progressively gotten worse since then. Coop has enough on his plate as is. At least with Danks, we know we got and what he's capable of. I was like you, I stop reading at these suppose trades or fa signing. I then found the article amusing. a reported playing the what if game and speculation on supposed movement of different players. no thanks.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 01:58 AM) What do you mean? He's a freaking shortstop. FCS. Jeez! what is your problem are you Constipated or what. he is young and still learning the position. he is going to an outstanding hitter and his defense is weak. can he improve his "D" to stay at SS is the question. so I am guilty of wanting him to improve fast, I would love to see him playing in the majors.

interesting reading, this reporter wrote up his priority list. http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/10/20/700...-offseason-plan

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 08:26 PM) So is it safe to assume Fernandez negotiations will start off with Castillo's contract and go from there? if Fernandez is available. I hate to say this but you are right with the contract starting at his contract numbers. I wonder what people think his upside is?

hey guys thanks for the discussion. it was fun.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 08:31 PM) It's hard to look for growth in a sample size such as this in the area of fielding in that short of a time frame. Something like that will take about a year to see. yup you are right. I hate to say this, I just like or need more info. for me, it like reading a book and it stops in the middle. with more chapters slowing coming in.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:30 PM) Maybe. Or maybe you can just convince the fans that mustard popsicles are the new thing. oh man, I have feeling that i am not going to forget this word for a while.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) No, you got me disagreeing that they are similar situations, because they are not. Betting on baseball isnt necessarily cheating, but it could be. Regardless, it is a banishment level offense, and everyone in the game knows this. If you are gambling, then you could be throwing games in order to win money, this is something that is controllable by the gambler, ESPECIALLY someone like Rose who was managing the game. Taking a steroid or scuffing a ball to win a game is increasing your chances, but you arent in total control of the outcome, a hitter can still get you, a pitcher can still strike you out. And banning someone for scuffing a ball is just silly. the player is adding an element to help in the outcome. when the baseball bosses are saying no to PED, as they are saying no to scuffing the ball. they are manipulating the rules to break the rules. I am not saying nor have i said anything about banning. i am making an example.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:25 PM) What do you mean? Of course they can dump him. They could release him outright if they wanted. They just still have to pay him. in this example, poster are trying to get out of some of his contract. nah, it is not going to happen. release him and still pay off his contract is still like keeping him and paying him.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:23 PM) Rose was not accused of cheating. The ban against betting exists so as not to encourage players/managers to intentionally risk or throw the game in the interest of covering a point spread or whatever. it is still cheating. no matter how you define it. edit btw i love your definition. way to go.

now i got you thinking, take the rose example out of this discussion. we are discussing cheating. whether it is scuffing the ball and going to all length to hide it and some one on PED and going to all length of hiding it. it is still cheating.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:11 PM) did the pitcher bet on the game that he plays(and coaches)? Because that is quite a difference edit: I think i read your comparison right. But now im not sure. Either way I have no idea how Rose is in this equation different level of cheating. how can 1 come up with an excuse for 1 example of a cheat and let the others go by. it has to be 1 penalty. plain and simple. there is no degrees of interpretation.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 07:10 PM) I don't want to speak on anybody's behalf, but what I asked previously is what people would essentially give up to move Danks. John Danks is set to make $28.5 million over the next 2 years. I think I'd probably be willing to eat about half of that if the right situation came up and it made sense for the Sox, and that's in a straight dump of Danks' contract. However, I don't see any way a team would be willing to make a trade like that. I think the best route would be in a deal for a bad contract - the two names that come to mind are Ethier and Hamilton. For Ethier, the Sox would also have to include a prospect to get the deal done, and if they want some of the contract in 2016 paid for, they'd likely have to include another prospect or include a better prospect, neither of which are ideal. If they did it for Hamilton, the Angels would still have to kick in about $30-40 million based solely on how terrible Hamilton's contract is. Neither of these are attractive options. Danks is basically a ketchup popsicle right now. what (meant as humor) but you have a good point. however I can't see any of that happening. Danks is the sox until the end of contract. but i still hold out hope in Ethier or Crawford.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) Don't sweat the errors by Anderson. Young guys often make errors on plays that they will eat up a few years down the road. Even Luis Aparicio made well over 30 errors his rookie year, IIRC. He was 21. He had a nice HOF career. I am not sweating it. I want Anderson to succeed as much as any. I just like to see growth.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) So basically, you're asking whether or not we would object to bringing in any pitcher with 13-18 wins. no there is line of judgment in this. the point is, this pitcher is cheating and going to great length to cheat. so what is the difference between this pitcher and those with the PED not with Rose and his banned for life.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 04:31 AM) We'll see how well Rusney Castillo does. The Dodgers signed a couple of Cubans for the middle infield (in the $20-30 million range) and neither of them have made an impact yet. I forgot where I read that some teams were not too high on Castillo hitting. I even can imagine on how some org thought of the same about Jose A. look at the success of Jose A and this is why I am thinking that Bos overreacted in signing Castillo. the sox were not even in the slightest interested in him. nah don't get me wrong, I hope he does well. but not against the sox.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) I loved, LOVED this trade when it was first made as it was exactly what I thought Hahn should be doing. Things obviously look a lot differently now with Davidson being horrendous this year but I'm not pining to have Reed back either. I hated it, not Davidson, but I thought the sox should have gotten an additional player

this is not a Danks response but a response for any player in this situation. The contract is sign and sealed. no one can change that, no one. he got hurt, thru no fault except for bad luck. am I happy no. am I saying dump him, no, the sox can not do that. why, rule and the union will prohibit that. what can the sox do about him, nothing. trade him, been there and no one is biting. can he come back, maybe, doubt it, but crazier things have happen. the sox will have to coop with this hole for the length of his contract.