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sounds like sour grapes to me.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 08:02 PM) Plus according to DRS he's actually a pretty noticeable upgrade to Alexei. but let me ask this question that was discuss either yesterday or the day before. should his splits, for his career, on AL hitting or lack off, should anyone take that into consideration???

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) I googled Latos and the only thing I could find negative said about Latos was from Bailey. Seems the problem Latos had with the Reds was more to do with Latos feeling like the training staff rushed him after surgery. Here's a Q & A Rosenthal did with Latos last year after he was traded to Miami. Latos doesn't come off as an asshole at all to me. Perhaps the person to ask about Latos would be Todd Frazier- which I'd imagine the Sox already have if the Sox are interested in Latos. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-ou...ati-reds-022215 you may very well be right, i just remember reading something about him and a suppose rumor involving a team ..... nice find. but either way, if some team are hesitant of him and as the article i read was giving a possible recourse, they mention a 1 yr deal to show the baseball world he is a good guy..... it should be a win - win situation..... per my opinion. but then again, what in hades to i know.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) I agree guys, not sure EJ would be enough on his own but maybe adding a reliever could do it. One potential problem I see is that by trading EJ the Sox would have to sign a guy like Latos to replace him. Nothing against Latos but his health is a concern. I wonder if the Yanks would do EJ + Duke for Gardner? I still prefer looking into a trade with the Dodgers for Ethier because I think he can be had for less if the Sox are willing to take on a majority of the money he's owed. This way the Sox shouldn't have to give up as much in a trade. no offense on latos... i never thought of a possible injury, i am thinking along the line of his rep... is he really a clubhouse cancer or not. maybe a 1 yr with a mutual option..... he will need to rebuild his image and the sox will be a win - win situation.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) We may disagree on Eric Johnson's potential, but who would replace him if we make that type of trade? Gardner makes over $13M this year, and is 32 years old. He is a nice player, but does not seem worth that kind of deal. any way, the time for looking at a fair deal ended with the last of the big 4 of'ers signing a FA contract. this is the 2nd tier option.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) We may disagree on Eric Johnson's potential, but who would replace him if we make that type of trade? Gardner makes over $13M this year, and is 32 years old. He is a nice player, but does not seem worth that kind of deal. i really can see a 1 yr fa.... even if it is Latos or a 3 yr from fister.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) I don't think anyone would want anything to do with Davidson...but you never know. If he's ever traded, it might be in a package like you suggested. But Johnson and Beck might be too much for Gardner, at least from the perspective of the Sox. from a sox perspective, you may be right, however look at this from the yanks perspective. ref davidson, his power is enticing, maybe just maybe some other team can think they can fix him. ref to adding Beck, the yanks want to start saving money, and beck being another pitcher, they will be able to look for the future. i was thinking instead of beck, i was thinking of T. Lowry. - sp. but if the ocst is not too much, the fix will be worth it, if any pitcher less than fulmer and adams.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) http://riveraveblues.com/2016/01/recent-fr...gardner-132721/ Article mentions White Sox and if Erik Johnson would be enough for Gardner. dang, it is not going to be enuf, even if the yanks are doing a salary dump. i would hope to give offer EJ, Beck and Davidson.... power hitter in the yanks park, that might be enticing.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 05:25 AM) http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2...rgery/76374326/ I wish Braun the best but there's no chance I would trade for him. Huge risk with that disk and contract. i didn't know of that medical problem, that make it a whole difference in not getting him..... the yrs on his current salary. forget about it, look else where.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) These were my thoughts, exactly. i am using this post, b/c of the snippet of Cespy and media charisma... i really thought that the sox wouldm't have signed any, as Blacksox 13 stated, the top 4 of'ers. the main reason is b/c of draft pick that the sox would have lost, but mostly b/c of the $$$ it would have cost. oops lets not forget the yrs of the salary. i still think cespy would have been a great addition, for many of the quality skill he has, but mostly for his charisma his would bring to the south side market, but it didn't happen. the sad thing is, this will fall on the sox owners b/c of the history they have, is it fair to still gage them on that history??? well they will need to do a lot to dispel it. lets see on monday what they have up their sleeves.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Nice find. Ewwwww. i know... those stats are from he career stats of playing against the AL. so for the stats posters, should any al teams should consider those stats???

this is some what interesting...... http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/1/23/1081...ns-undetermined what i also found very interesting is a snippet near the end of talks of a NL dh......

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) The day someone can prove that he is maximizing profits as opposed to putting back into the team is the day that any of this non-sensical complaining makes. You say you think he is cheap and doesn't care about winning. You can say he alienates fans with his attitude. But its all opinonand not proof. Odds are its somewhere in the middle. Its a business they are allowed to make a profit for the board of investors. this is far from being proof, but every yr, according to forbes, and esp their own where they mention they made some profit, the budget for the team salary is still being constant. even after the tv deal is announce, by default they should have made a little more income, yet the salary is still sitting near the constant numbers.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) JR has always played by the rulss because he has been advocate for cost control and salary caps. He has been on tne committees which developed the rules such as drafted slotting. Agree or diagree with that process but how would be perceived by the other owners if the people who created the rules ignored them? There probably would be no further attempts on spending control by the owners. excellent point ..... but shouldn't there be a expiration date with those believes??? edit.... however, lets not deny that the sox are not operating near to running in the red....

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) They would be unrestricted free agents so there is no cap on them. You're thinking of the amateur spending. many thanks for the info.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 03:12 AM) He's got a showcase February 23rd and is waiting for the MLB to clear his FA status. Sounds as though he could be available just in time for ST. does anyone know when is the deadline for int't players counting for next season int'l salary cap and / or this season cap???

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) Signing Desmond would be ridiculous. He's nothing special, costs a high draft choice and salary. He would be adding a veteran for the sake of a veteran. If the Sox won't give young players a chance - and there's really only 1 position left - they'll never get anywhere. They may not be able to avoid Fowler -they've come this far loading up with KW "proven veterans" - but, as a basically averageish ballplayer, he's not worth the price either. Jackson's the best choice. nice post and QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) EXACTLY. Sin duda, dude. Having a draft pick in a particular year is indeed an asset. It's currency. If you're a team that excels in selecting players, then that currency has a certain value. If you look in your team mirror and you arguably, well, blow at drafting OTHER than picking some obvious studs at the top of a draft (where you hope not to be anyway), then that currency has a different value. If taking on the right FA costs you a relatively high draft pick -- in a year when that was an additional pick anyway and you still have a high #1 and #2 -- then you do it when you're loading for the next two years anyway. The FA you get (or a combo of FAs if you go Desmond/Jackson) are guaranteed big leaguers, albeit with risks attached to both. That high 20s draft pick you give up has no such guarantee. Frankly, not even close. And anticipating the counter arguments ... YES, you surely don't want to do this year after year. Do it every year like this and you've taken your chances to ever develop a strong and deep farm system from slim to none. I'm talking THIS YEAR ... THESE circumstances ... because we've already committed to going for it for the next two years well these two post are being pointed out for various reasons. the sox and the system are in a precarious situation and for this reason, they are trying to do 2 things simultaneously and it is not working, if they continue on this path they will fail at one while the other will be half way there. do not look at this as a fan but with both eyes open. the sox does need to pick up a really good player-no pick cost and yes a player at a very important position, and if needed spend the harsh cost-a draft pick, all this was the fault of the main person, who i will mention later. the sox also needs to invest in a low cost or a pitcher that will not cost 20 mil, maybe someone who will need to reestablish their value. the sox org will need to accept this fact and make the hard choices here. the sox got really lucky with a great draft pick-sale, lucky on a trade or 2 with eaton and Q. they pulled a rabbit from a hat with Jose A. now last yr they made some key fa signings, and then stop. this yr, again some really key fa signing, and i hope they will continue. now at the same time, the farm system.... well we all know about that, i will not dwell on it but they have done a great job the last 2-3 yrs.... with Rodon paying dividends by his performance last season. but the minor league is still a ways off to help supplement the parent team and even then some of those minors may stall. so what is needed, the sox brass needs to find a balance of further make trades and more fa signings, even if it mean going into the red this coming season. the blame on this all falls on the owners and now it is the owners who will need to make some hard decisions, give the green light to Hahn and his people to go and find and scout potential fa's that can help, use a draft picks if necessary, do another great draft, and blow thru the int'l draft and get as many as they can ...... to load the systems with prospects. only then in the yrs to follow, the sox can pick and chose instead of having all their hopes rest on a particular player, and what if that player fails???? this will all correct itself in a yr or 2 ... but the rewards will be many.

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) Are you kidding? We really couldn't match the Mets offer for Cespedes? Honestly, what was the point in even trading for Frazier if not to actually try and field a full roster capable of making the playoffs? We have the worst outfield in the league. ok lets think of this, this way. think of the big plan. at this point, what will be the sox alternative motive???? to appear to do something, why, soxfest and to make an appeal to the fans on "look we tried, it was too much, we do not have the budget for that kind of money". also look at where the salary is today.... at this moment. this is just like the sox plus a little more coy about doing this than the teams of the 90.s.... i am waiting for the org to throw out a couple of reclamation projects, one in the OF and the other as a SP. all this, at this time if nothing else is done, is smoke, to make it look as they were trying to do something. but i as a die-hard have to live with it, as a white sox fan.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) It's not about being quick to trade Anderson, well, not with me. My thinking is that if the Sox were to sign Desmond, they would have two legit short stops in Desmond and Saladino with a shortage of OF depth. Trading Anderson for his OF equivalent would make sense for a team like the Sox in this scenerio. The only reason I would entertain the idea would be if the Sox signed Desmond to a 2-3 year contract. Another example I would be open to trading Anderson would be for young team controlled outfielders like Ender Inciarte or Preston Tucker. Trust me, I'm in no rush to trade Anderson but am open minded to trading him for the right outfielder to fill a position of need/depth. if you don't mind, using known assets to help the team now.... to win to improve and to obtain other assets. i would hate to loose him, but helping this team ...... now .... is more important for me.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) An alternative idea could be to sign Jackson and Desmond, then trade Anderson for his outfield minor league equivalent. Something like Anderson to Milwaukee for Brett Phillips. I know Milwaukee has Arcia but they could always slide Anderson over to 2B. That said, I have no idea if the Brewers would be interested in such a deal, just using the Brewers and Phillips as an example. excellent .... thinking outside the box. i would do that in a heartbeat .....

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) My reasoning to be hesitant to give up the pick (I know I gave it away about five posts above lol) is because Hahn paid about 5 million for it (the remaining money due to Shark), and turned down whatever low level prospects were available at the deadline. So I dont think most fans desperately want to keep the pick, it is just that we assume that Hahn will be hesitant to eat crow and surrender the pick. pld don't get me wrong, yesterday and before, i was all for not using any of the picks, i thought that sox could have found value in other non cost ways.... but lets say jackson and desmond, the rtn is too good to pass up. the rtn of some positive success for the sox org is what i would think a hefty price to pay, but hell yeah, pay it and loose the comp pick. just my opinion. however, we are talking about the sox FO and their history here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) Fine. I'll leave. At least my Jackson and Desmond predictions will stand the test of time. Dick Allen can find a new group of fans to whine about and leave me alone. i know this is strange coming from me, but cmon, lets all deal with each other the best we can. it is all fun, talking sports.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) What do you think these guys get? I think we could get Jackson for something like 2/$17M. Not sure how many years Desmond will want or get, but I don't see him getting more than a $15M AAV. If we structured right, both could be had for around $20M or so. Can't believe that's much more (if at all) than they were offering Cespedes. hell, lawrie, if i am looking at the right one, he is 26 going on 27.... give him 2 yrs to put some monster stats and he will be sitting pretty in the next turn-around in fa....

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) I have seen so many trade proposals which include Tim Anderson, yet the pick the Sox got for Shark is sacred to many. Is it now fair to say that holding on to him wasn't so dumb after all? it is how one will look at it. the fans has no choice but to make the best of it. but the rtn on last yr deadline vs the unknown talent, plus the development, plus the yrs if the org can see any positive results.... that is how i will look at it. what was on the table at the deadline last yr???? we as fans do not have that answer.

QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) I don't see how anyone can dog the Sox for not signing him. 27.5 million a year for him is ridiculous. Especially being if he has a good year he's gone, if he has a decent year he is probably gone. The only way he stays is if he sucks. Then we are on the hook for 42.5 over 2 years. Then the ones that are b****ing and moaning now (not saying anyone here) will be the ones that are b****ing and moaning over a bad contract having 21.5 million tied up in 1 guy that flopped completely. It's like teachers with snow days... complain when they have to go to school when it snows, complain more when they have to make up days at the end of the year. i can respect what you are saying, but beside the money aspects.... i would go with one part of this, with a comparison to another team. last yr, the blackhawks traded for Vermette and the price was steep, a 1st rounder. but he provided a stabling force on another line and provided skills in some key games for another SC win. so in essence this was a trade of a 1rounder for a SC.... for me, a fair price to pay. with Cespy..... this was or is a 27.5 mil contract for a yr and an opt ..... and he would provide many things for the sox, including the unknown, the future and a rep of a org that will want to win. even who knows, maybe a chance to compete for a playoff berth, provide head to head media completion in chi again that 3 head monster from the northside and of the trickle down effect of fans coming to the part..... a lot of positives, that is what a key player can add or help to add with the other great players the sox have on the team already.