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QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 08:24 PM) I'd assume it would be Coats or another AAA guy. When your DH is failing, replacing him is not really that difficult since it can be anyone. June is the month that teams wait until for prospects because of service time; this way they get an extra year of control out of them before free agency. ref the bold, this is for discussion .... but here is the problem. the sox will replace a hitter who can't hit, assuming that will be the reason to his release. now he will be replace with a AAA player who may not be able to hit his weight. it is just too much of a gamble to take, esp if Avi is in the outfield. now and i am sure most will agree, sign a Fa of'er and move and platoon Avi to the dh role. but this is what many have already thought of and is nothing new.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) They made serious bids on both Gordon and Cespedes. Clearly not too stubborn to address it. Just haven't yet addressed it successfully. yeah, they address it, but they still didn't get anyone player signed.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) If he still sucks by June, he's going to be released. ok, i am not trying to be snarky or anything like that. but, in june, if, he is to be release, who will replace him, ref to hitting ???? now add the idea of Avi is in the outfield and the sox will release laroche.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) People are outraged about Avi, but really it's the inability to unload LaRoche and his 13 million which is a bigger issue IMO. i agree with you, but sometimes some moves works and sometimes it doesn't. the sox went cheap and not to invest money so they tried to regurgitate some players at a discounted price. now remember, many were ok with this move, b/c the sox were doing something positive to improve this ball club. it just didn't work. now, the main point in my post is, fix this team, eat the contract and continue to rebuild. they, the sox org can afford it.....

QUOTE (shysocks @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) The talking up of Avi continues. He's gonna be the starting right fielder and I'm gonna lose my freaking mind. Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 8m8 minutes ago Todd Steverson said Avisail Garcia was very receptive to trying a new stance when they worked out for 3 days in Miami. Promises diff. look. Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago Todd Steverson on Avisail Garcia: "“You can tell people, tell people, tell people. But until they get a hold of it in their own head." Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago Basically, #WhiteSox know there's much to be done & it's early. They're hoping Avisail Garcia gets comfy w/ new stance in spring. basically the hype of getting another of'er for the mix is now moot. oh i can't stand this, the sox may go into the season without finishing this job with a question mark in Avi in the out field.... ok he may have fixed his stance, let him DH and perfect his hitting.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 05:10 PM) We lost thousands of posts/post counts when the system site transfer crashed, iirc. oh i remember that, but, at that time, this site was growing by leaps and bounds. i was surprise that anyone was able to keep up. wasn't that problem a server problem or was it hacked. the best thing jason did was getting the admin and mods to help.....

now, i remember the time when it all started, but i will say, when the main group came over, the internet and different sport site forum was a little crazy then. it really was on some days, a free for all and posters will be posting about 100 post a day. i will tell you one thing, the soxtalk crew took all comers and usually won. now, the owners needed to get this rowdy group under control and it is thru him, and the yrs, sox talk has been bless in having good to great admin or mods to help keep this site fresh, having a common theme.... that theme is all sox and sox prospects.

excellent article and a great post. i have been ranting for several yrs that the sox needs to go over the budget at least once. this is needed to really add prospects to this org, that desperately need viable prospects. let me show my point, Fulmer, is he a RP or SP. the sox org has the idea of a sp. but some of the sports sites, see him as a RP. whether that is one person opinion or all or any. the point is, what if he is a RP, what sp will step up next season. what is going to happen when Danks leaves and even Lato? Adams is several yrs away, beck, danish, ej, do the sox really have a certified sp to step in??? if the sox wants to make trades, they really don't have the bodies to make those trades to fill in for rosters spots, except if they will be willing to use, anderson, fulmer or adams. are they going to spend money in the Fa's?? the sox has a void in the prospects, ready to step in, in key postion. the point here is, the sox needs prospects to step in, and unless the sox fill the empty cupboard. the sox have a 2 yr window before they start looking for prospects to step in, 2b, cat, 3b, of'er. in 2 yrs the sox will have to make some hard decisions. after that, they may have another 2 or 3 yrs after that to have more prospects that will need to step in, again to fill in leaving players for what ever reason. now going over the budget this yr, will not help for at least 5 yrs, but this org needs bodies..... however there is really no handshake when money if involve. only when they sign on the bottom line.

QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 03:38 AM) i am really stoke on the signing of latos. this will really add to the sp pitching of the sox. # 1-4 will be solid, #5 Danks, then # 6 / 7 the sox have ej and turner, the wildcard will be beck. this has to be the strongest rotation i have seen since the 90's. finish the shopping with jackson at cf or murph also a LH hitter OF'er. which i really like his hit vs so = to his avg, and use him as a platoon. i will admit, using the sabe metric, i was amaze on how strong the 05 > WS team was in the pitching dept. that 05 team was simply phenomenal......

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) For the Sabermetrically inclined..... 2005 SP WAR vs. 2016 SP *projected* WAR.... Buehrle (5.9) ------------ Sale (5.9) Garcia (4.0) ---------Quintana (3.6) Garland (3.5) ---------- Rodon (2.5) Contreras (3.4) ---- Latos/Johnson (1.8) Duque/BMac (1.8) ---Danks (0.8) 05 Staff (22.6)------2016 Staff (14.6) So yeah, that 2005 staff was extremely balanced, full over above-average to nearly all-star level talent 1 through 4. Although I do feel those projections are light on Quintana and Rodon. I think both are 0.5 or better in 2016. But, that was also the best staff in baseball in 2005. If you want to look at the latest WS Champion staffs... 2015 Royals - 7.5 2014 Giants - 8.7 2013 Red Sox - 12.4 2012 Giants - 11.3 2011 Cards - 12.5 So if you want to think about it this way, our 2016 projections, which I think are at least 1 WAR short, are still a few wins better than any recent champion. This is a championship caliber rotation. Just need the offense and defense to come through. many... many thanks for that added perceptive, i'll be honest, i never thought of using the Sabermetrically stats. anyone has the pen sabes comparison, esp the 05 squad???

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 04:22 AM) That 05 rotation wasn't too bad good enuf to win the WS and really hung in there for the Series games, against Hou. 05 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 16 Mark Buehrle ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Sale Freddy Garcia ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Q Jon Garland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rodon Jose Contreras ~~~~~~~~~~~ Latos Orlando Hernandez ~~~~~~~~ Danks but for me, i think it was the pen that did it for the 05 team. they were lights out.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 12:11 AM) It's necessary to sign guys like this for depth. People are often clamoring in the offseason for the Sox to sign a guy like Latos and 2 more for depth while ignoring the logic that there's no chance an ML caliber starter wants to sign to be the 7th guy on a depth chart. You need to sign guys like Turner (Paulino, Noesi, etc.) who can't get a guaranteed rotation spot anywhere on a big league team. If they could, they would. i am really stoke on the signing of latos. this will really add to the sp pitching of the sox. # 1-4 will be solid, #5 Danks, then # 6 / 7 the sox have ej and turner, the wildcard will be beck. this has to be the strongest rotation i have seen since the 90's. finish the shopping with jackson at cf or murph also a LH hitter OF'er. which i really like his hit vs so = to his avg, and use him as a platoon.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) I think Shaw leaves after this year anyway, as would Ladd. They will have to pay Panarin and Bowman has already said that's a big priority. Shaw probably gets $4m/year on the open market and the Hawks won't be paying him that. If Winnipeg wants Shaw and a 1st, do it. I'd much rather package him, however, for a defenseman. i wouldn't trade him if it is possible. however concerning on acquiring missing pieces to make this team better for the playoff, fine. if not, keep him, let him play. i think he is valuable as a role player going into the playoff. getting into position to win another SC is the main goal.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:24 AM) Holy crap does it cost a lot to renovate an older home. yeah and can you imagine if you can't do a lot of the work yourself, sweat equality.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) I don't know how anyone could still be a fan of a team that moved from your city if you are from or reside in that area. Why would you want to support a team that left your area? Maybe it's easier nowadays with how accessible games are to fans. there are fans who are not from the city that are fans of that sports team. so i think that is the exception.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Feb 9, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) There is NO F###ING WAY I would ever root for the Cubs. Even if my son played for the Cubs, I would not root for the Cubs. i am total agreement here. it is the white sox, the chi white sox or no baseball.

well, this move really surprise me, i really thought the sox would not make any additional move and all this, so-called talking, was posturing on the sox part. well, i am coming here, hat is hand to say, i was wrong and with excitement in my voice. when i am wrong, esp here, that means that the sox FO is still working to get it done. pitching is needed and what a bargain and for 1 yr. a win - win situation. latos needs to redeem himself and what a way to do this, but on the sox, giving the team even a better chance to do something this season. i am glad i was wrong.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 8, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) Welcome to the reality that was being a White Sox fan circa 1986-1988, when pondering answers to these questions was all too real. Jerry Reinsdorf obviously had no trouble dragging the fan base through that torment while casting a black cloud over the franchise during that time period. But it was a means to an end for he and the investors, because it made them ultimately very wealthy in the end. It didn't, however, translate into turning the franchise into a sustainably winning one for the fans, which, therein lies the problem. Time for a new owner. answering this statement with the obvious pov. i was and did go thru this with the sox. however this is a valid secondary questions that needed to be ask. can or will the sox move from a very profitable situation to another area, and will it be just as successful. the owners really don't care, they care about the $$$$. while that can be the next question, what will we, the die hard fans do without the sox.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Feb 8, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) Super depressing question. I would probably just be a fan of the game at that point. It's possible I would follow them for a little bit. I would just start rooting for the various underdogs to win in the playoffs. I would actively root against the scrubs no matter what. my kind of a fan.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 8, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) Two of the three Gurriel brothers defected this weekend. Yulieski is 31 and is considered the best player in country and has been for quite some time. He plays mainly third base. Lourdes is 22, plays SS but will likely need to be moved to another position. With Danks and LaRoche money coming off the books at the end of the season, these guys seems like prime targets. Yes the Sox have Frazier now at 3B, but the Royals were looking at him for LF, so that would likely mean he has at least some ability to play there. You can have a rotation with Gurriel rotating at 3B, 1B, and DH and Frazier playing 3B, LF, and DH. Lourdes probably needs some time in the minors, but can come and play 2B if Lawrie falters or move to an OF spot and upgrade the defense. Lourdes will be subject to international spending restrictions if he signs before October so he may wait until then to maximize his contract. i would, without a shadow of a doubt get both of them .... deal with the logistics later.

ah man, what a get question. believe me when i say this, it is too early now for today to think this hard. but considering my age, i would not be a baseball fan. i would be content knowing and experiencing the fact that the sox won the WS. i can die a happy man. now this is a also a great what if, maybe, just maybe, if i was younger, i may switch to a different team. i don't know. maybe the ARZ team. either way, i have my blackhawks, bull and Da Bears.

QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 1, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) Saw some people RTing Kaplan and he was complaining about Scott's inclusion all night. Then called people over sensitive. Pot calling kettle black. I didn't know who John Scott was before this, the game means nothing, and it brought a nice story to the NHL. What was the harm? what gets to me is, every yr, there is one or two players not making the AS, while there is an equal amount making the AS, who by some didn't deserve to be there. there is always going to be some mistakes and fans will always complain. but this was way over the line of professionalism. in the past, as i said there were some who didn't make the AS team, why was there no b****ing about that?? there is no degree of whether one makes ir or not, it is either yes or no in the final vote.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 1, 2016 -> 03:13 AM) The Blue Jays were .500 at the trade deadline last year. As SS2K5 wrote, we would need more context. Are the Sox at .500 because of one hot streak despite spending most of the season below .500 (like last year), or are there encouraging signs (decent run differential, key player coming back from a DL visit soon, soft upcoming schedule, etc.)? It also depends on what the playoff picture looks like. Too many possible scenarios to consider without that extra context. i agree on this wholeheartedly, last yr, the sox FO was close to continuing their hopes that the team was capable of sustaining the good run. many posters who saw the makeup, wasn't so sure. for me, their were too many negatives at the asg break. either way, you made the point, can't use last yr or any other example to gage, esp this team with its improvements. it will need to be taken on a step by step basis. i do have a good feeling, it will be better if the final pieces are obtained.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jan 31, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) 8 seems high but I think it is fair to say we can expect the White Sox to need a 6th starter this year since one of our 5 will go down w some injury ( and /or Johnson or Danks will struggle). I thought they would add someone but they must be confident they have enough depth internally. nice post, this is what i am thinking, it is not that i have no faith in the pitching core, but there is some serious question marks i have. the top 3 will carry this team. enuf said.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 31, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) Probably Eckstein or McEwing. 2 good names but nah.