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If you want a different spin on the "occupation" from the one that Apu offers, I highly suggest you go to DanielPipes.org and read the article entitled, "It's Not About the Settlements". This article also appeared in the February 17, 2004 Sun Times. Daniel Pipes

An interesting article I read today...Enjoy! "Satire-The Mass Media Guide on How to Become an "Activist"" by Steven Plaut 1. Murdering people makes you a killer or a terrorist. But if those murdered are Jews then you are an activist. You might also be a militant. 2. Crashing jet planes into buildings makes you a terrorist. But attempting to shoot down civilian planes landing in Israel makes you an activist. 3. Placing large bombs on trains in Madrid makes you a terrorist, but placing bombs on Israeli buses full of children makes you an activist. 4. Blowing up a nightclub in Indonesia full of Australians makes you a terrorist. But mass murdering Israeli children makes you an activist. 5. Snipers shooting innocent people in Virginia are terrorists. Snipers shooting Jews in the West Bank are activists. 6. People trying to ram soldiers with trucks and cars are generally terrorists, unless the soldiers in question are Jews. 7. Throwing rocks at civilians makes you a criminal and maybe even a terrorist, and if you do so off a California overpass you will get jailed. But throwing the same rocks at Jews in Israel makes you an activist and maybe even a professor at Columbia University. 8. Denying the Holocaust makes you a racist and a fascist bigot, unless you are an Arab, in which case it makes you a moderate, at least if you deny the Holocaust in grammatically correct English. 9. Hiding behind children when you shoot weapons at soldiers makes you a coward and a villain, unless you are a Palestinian or an Iraqi Baathist. 10. Murdering children makes you a fiend and maybe a Nazi unless the children are Jews, in which case you are an activist with legitimate grievances. 11. 9/11 and 3/11 terrorism has no underlying causes or root grievances, but Middle East activism in which Israelis get murdered does - because of Israeli insensitivity and because Palestinians feel occupied. 12. When Bosnians or Albanians in Kosova get mass murdered, that is a war crime. When Jews get mass murdered, this is their comeuppance for their insensitivity, and of course it is reactive activism. 13. When Americans assassinate al-Queda or Taliban leaders anywhere they find them, this is part of the war against global terrorism. When Israel shoots terrorist leaders, it is an obstacle to peace and is unjustifiably deactivating activism. 14. When the US jails hundreds of terrorists at Guantanamo Bay without trial, this is because the jailed are terrorists. When Israel jails people who have mass murdered Jews, this is undermining the peace process and antagonizing activists. 15. Firing mortars and rockets into civilian areas in the Balkans makes you a war criminal. Firing them from Gaza into Jewish homes makes you a militant. Protesting wearing of fur also makes you a militant, or maybe an activist.

Why would an Arabic paper deliberatly write something to disparage the "Palestinians", if it wasn't true? They don't want to make the "Palis" look bad; why would they want to do so?

IF I were to try to negotiate a peace accord with Apu, assuming Apu represents the Palestinian people, it would be premised on 3 preconditions. 1) The Palestinians have to accept, and do everything in their power to facilitate, Israel's Right to Exist as a Jewish State. Declarations must be made stating so in both English AND Arabic. 2) All militant groups MUST be disarmed/incapacitated, with and/or without the assistance of Israel and the IDF. 3) There must be a period of at least 1 year wherein there is no homicide bombings or other attacks on Israelis, NOT ONE! Then I would start negotiations!

Very convenient excuse, Apu. Nobody ( and I do mean NOBODY) has harmed the "Palestinians" more than their "leaders" and their Arab neighbors. Remember in 1967, when they were told, "get out of the way, we're going to take out Israel, and the land will be yours'". D'oh!!! Now, they're "homeless". Then they try to live in (Trans)Jordan, their original (actual) homeland, where they can exist in peace amongst their Arab "brethren"...then comes Black Sunday...10,000+ "Palis" slaughtered by the Jordanians. Ouch! Then what do the "poor Palestinians" do? They try to go back into the areas of Israel that they once lived in, (in ISRAEL!) and use them as a base from which we can murder innocent civilians until the Jews leave the land. In the meantime, Arafat will force "his" people to live in abject poverty, all the while convincing them that the Jews are doing it to them. He will brainwash them as children and will air anti-Israel/anti-Jew programming on his "state" run media outlets. He will make "his" people feel that they have no alternative but to destroy the Jewish State. He preaches "Palestine - From the River to the Sea". He later calls for "a million martyrs to attack Jerusalem". I guess it's easy to see how it's all Israel's fault, right Apu? :headshake

"I didn't know that lying blood soaked murderers had apologists"??? This sentence, coming from Apu, is such a crock of s*** it's almost laughable! Apu defends Yasser Arafat, the PA and radical Islamists every chance he gets. He calls their terrorist acts "heroic", and routinely blames the (innocent) victims thereof for the terrorist acts. Un-f***ing-believable!!! :headshake

Apu...I will no longer address any of your postings, for the following reasons: 1) You are a "card-carrying" anti-Semite/anti-Israel, anti-America asshole. 2) Your postings are complete, 100%, unadulterated bulls***. I feel sorry for anyone who buys into the b.s. that you sell.

Okay Texsox...I apologize! You're not a racist. Not a rocket scientist, by any stretch of the imagination, but not a racist. Now stop your weeping! BTW I mentioned Hitler, because Arafat = Hitler. His greatest desire is the destruction of the Jewish people!

Close to 70% of Palestinians polled in an Arab newspaper endorsed violence against Israelis, EVEN IF THEY WERE GRANTED THEIR OWN STATE!!! That's 7 out of 10, aka a MAJORITY!!!!!

Nice picture, Apu! More Anti-Israel propaganda bulls***! If it was "all about the occupation", why did Arafat and the PLO start terrorist attacks on Israel in 1963-4, 3-4 years before the 6-day War and the beginning of the "occupation"???

RKelly is a scumbag!

Let see if you can understand what I'm trying to say, Professor. 1. The Palestinans' modus operandi is the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel. 2. To be sympathetic to the Palestinians' cause is to also be for the destruction of Israel. 3. Thus, if one is sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians' , and their cause is the elimination of Israel, then.... Get it???

Cheat...forgive me for not having sympathy for people who wish to eradicate all Jews!

Good to see you read neither of my last 2 postings, dumbass!!!

MYTH: The outbreak of violence in late 2000, dubbed by Arabs the al-Aksa intafada, was provoked by Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount. FACT: To believe Palestinian spokesmen (and Apu) , the violence was caused by the desecration of a Muslim holy place - Haram al-Sharif - by Likud leader Ariel Sharon and the "thousands of Israeli soldiers" who accompanied him. The violence was carried out through unprovoked attacks by Israeli forces, which invaded Palestinian-controlled territories and "massacred" defenseless palestinian civilians, who merely threw stones in self-defense. The truth is dramatically different. Imad Faluji, the PA Communications Minister, admitted months after Sharon's visit that the violence had been planned in July, far in advance of Sharons "provocation". "It (the uprising) had been planned since Arafat's return from Camp David, when he turned the tables on President Clinton and rejected the American conditions." (Jerusalem Post 03/04/2001) ("The Sharon visit did not cause the al-Aksa intafada." Conclusion of the Mitchell Report 05/04/2001) The violence started BEFORE Sharon's 09/28/2000 visit (emphasis added) to thr Temple Mount. The day before an Israeli soldier was killed at the Netzarim Junction, by an explosion of a roadside bomb. The next day in the West bank city of Kalkilya, a Palestinian police officer working with Israeli police on a joint patrol opened fire and killed his Israeli counterpart. Official PA media exhorted the palestinians to violence. On 09/29, the Voice of Palestine, the PA's official radio station sent out calls "to all Palestinians to come and defend the al-Aksa mosque." The PA closed its schools and bused Palestinian students to the Temple Mount to participate in the organized riots. Sharon did not enter any mosques during his 34 minute visit, and the visit took place during normal hours when the area is open to tourists. There were limited disturbances during Sharon's visit, mostly involving stone throwing. DUring the remainder of the day the stone throwing continued, leaving 28 Israeli policemen injured, 3 of them hospitalized. There are NO accounts of Palestinian injuries on that day. "It is not a mistake that the Koran warns us of the hatred of the Jews and put them at the top of the list of enemies of Islam. Today the Jews recruti the world against the Muslims and use all kinds of weapons. They are plundering the dearest place to the Muslims, after Mecca and Medina and threaten the place the Muslims have faced at first when they prayed and the third holiest city after Mecca and Medina. They want to erect their temple on that place....The Muslims are ready to sacrifice their lives and blood to protect the Islamic nature of Jerusalem and EL Aksa!" (Shiekh Hian Al-Adrisi, Excerpt of address in the al-Aksa mosque 09/29/2000) The real desecration of holy places was perpetrated by Palestinians, not Israelis. In October 2000, Palestinian mobs destroyed "Joseph's Tomb", tearing up and burning Jewish prayer books. They stoned worshipers at the Western Wall and attacked "Rachel's Tomb" in Bethlehem with firebombs and automatic weapons. NONE of the violent attacks were initiated by Israeli security forces, which in all cases responded to Palestinian violence that went well beyond stone throwing. It included massive attacks with automatic weapons and the lynching of Israeli soldiers. MOST ARMED ATTACKERS WERE MEMBERS OF THE TANZIM - ARAFAT'S OWN MILITIA. (Emphasis added) The disproprtionate number of Palestinian casualties was the inevitable result of an irregular, ill-trained militia attacking a regular, well trained army, and the TANZIM'S FREQUENT USE OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS AS SHIELDS FOR ITS ATTACKS. (Emphasis added) Since ALL attacks were initiated by Palestinians under Arafat's orders, only Arafat has the power to end the violence. Isral and the US have called on him to do so, and renew the peace process. "Myths and Facts...pp250-2

Let me cite some quotes for you: MYTH: "Violence is an understandable and legitimate reaction to Israel's policies." FACT: The basis of the peace process is that disputes should be resolved through negotiations. One of the conditions Israel set before agreeing to negotiate with the PLO was that the Organization renounce terrorism. It formally did so; however the PLO and other Palestinian groups and individuals have consistently resorted to violence SINCE THE OSLO PROCESS BEGAN IN 1993. (emphasis added) Whether or not Israel made concessions, Palestinians still committed heinous attacks. In some instances atrocities are perpetrated because of alleged mistreatment; in other cases they are deliberate efforts to sabotage negotiations. Regardless, the PA, which has a 40000+ person police force (larger than allowed under the Peace Agreements) and multiple intelligence agencies, must be held responsible for keeping the peace. Terrorist Activity Since the Signing of the Declaration of Principles (but prior to the current intafada... IDF Soldiers killed 52 IDF soldiers wounded 1036 Israeli civilians killed 48 Civilians wounded 653 Shootings 758 Cases of Arson 115 Molotov Cocktails 2499 These acts occurred between the dates of 09/13/1993 - 08/11/1999 Myths and Facts - A guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict by Mitchell Bard pp 252-3

When has Apu quoted Time Magazine???

This is true...but remember, we were also "at odds" with Iran at the time, and were propping up Iraq to take out Khomeini's regime.

Can't trust the Gov! I know, I work for them.

Watch it...you're gonna hurt Apu's feelings!!! :headshake

Make a valid point first, Apu...then I'll debate it! BTW, nobody ever doctors pictures, do they? I'm calling you a neo-Nazi for speading anti-Israel propaganda like the picture you posted. How do we know that the eight year old kid got shot, because you said so? You would never lie about something like that, would you? Not with your anti-israel agenda. You haven't answered my questions AGAIN...if the "palis" don't want ALL of Israel destroyed, why do they preach "from the River to the Sea"? Why won't Arafat disarm the militant groups? Why won't he disarm Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a group COMPLETELY under his control? ANswer the questions, please!!!

1) Texsox has missed my point on numerous occasions, as have you. He is in essence saying, Hitler may have been an s.o.b., but some of the Nazis were okay. That's just wrong. 2) Apu quotes "sources" that are so radically anti-America/anti-Israel that they should only be classified as "Fiction". That's the section you'd find them in at Barnes and Noble. 3) When I mentioned all the media sources above, to contradict Apu's opinion, it was to demonstrate that all of the world's legitimate media sources know, and have reported that the Oslo Peace Accords broke down because Arafat turned down 99% of what he requested. It is as common knowledge as saying the Earth is round. Bill Clinton who sat in on Oslo has stated this on many occasions, but Apu (who to the best of my knowledge was NOT at Oslo), says differently, so he must be right! You people are unbelievable.

For the millionth time, you ignorant fool, I will tell you. For you to be sympathetic to the Palestinians' cause equates to being anti-Israel which in turn equates to being racist. Pro-Palestinian beliefs = anti_israeli beliefs, it's that simple! The palestinians have shown time and time again that they aren't interested in peace with Israel, they want all of Israel. AGAIN...why do they preach "Palestine from the River to the Sea" if they don't want all of the land?! Why did 68% of palis surveyed in an Arabic newspaper say they would endorse continued violence vs. Israel, even after they got their own state? I swear to G-d, talking to you is like talking to a freakin' wall!!! You can't seem to comprehend. Did you see the picture tht Apu posted? If that isn't anti-Israel Nazi propaganda bulls***, I don'y know what is! Apu calls that stone thrower a "hero"? Unbelievable. Maybe you're not a racist, but, you are ignorant to the facts re. the Arab-Israeli dispute, there's no denying that.

Be careful what you say. You don't want to offend Apu by blaming Al Queda!

This attached picture is just the kind of anti-Israel propaganda bulls*** that I would expect to see skinheads, Al Queda members, Klansmen and/or Neo-Nazis distributing. Oh, and Apu. Hey Apu, you never did answer my question...when Arafat preaches "Palestine - from the River to the Sea", what does that mean? Does it mean the Palis want to coexist peacefully with Israel? Nope. Does it mean they want to destroy Israel? Yep. Since you are so sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, does that then mean you'd like to see Israel destroyed? Probably. (BTW, am I supposed to feel sorry about the death of a pali-stone thrower who would have inevitably grown up to be a terrorist?) Answer that one yourself, Adolf!