israel4ever

Whether Israel has nukes or not is arguable; if I was a betting man, I'd say that they do have 'em.

It's starting to!

If the MODS are watching/reading, I would be all for "killing" this thread. As I said before, there are those of us on each side of the debate who will never be swayed (myself included!). It is a waste of time and effort to try to do so. This dispute has been argued by Statesmen, scholars, media commentators, etc., for decades, nobody has ever come up with an answer. Furthermore, since this topic is such a "powder keg", people tend to get emotional, and say hurtful, hateful things to one another. Let's see what the other "posters" have to say about Killing the thread. SB

Exactly.

I believe that at this point, Israel has the military superiority to take out its Arab neighbors if ever or whenever it wanted to. It is most reliant upon the US for economic aid to help rebuild it's economy which is failing, mostly due to the intafada. The inflation/unemployment rates are overwhelming and many countries have boycotted (embargoed) Israeli goods. If the conflict ended, I believe that Israel has the wherewithall to get on it's feet and be self-sufficient.

This is an excellant article...too long for me to reprint, but if you are interested, go to: www.frontpage.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11685 The article is titled, "The Palestinian Culture of Hate". It was written by John Perazzo. This article is on-point with a LOT of what has been discussed here. NOTE: Admittedly, FRONTPAGE.COM is a Conservative website. However, I am sure that many of you are open minded enough that you are willing to look at both sides of the debate, (except for Apu!). I do look at the (mostly laughable) Liberal sites Apu refers to; just haven't found anything there that I find believable.

Pretty much. The problem with launching an all-out assault on the "Palestinians" is that they (militants) hide among the civilian populations. The "Palis" seem to favor guerilla warfare, instead of a more conventional warfare. This would cause substantial civilian casualties, and would critically damage Israel's (tenuous) reputation in the rest of the world. The only solution that I see is, one way or another, Arafat has to be removed from power. He needs to be replaced by someone who won't kowtow to and cajole (and endorse and finance) Arab militant groups. These militant groups have to be dismantled and/or "emasculated" before peace with the Palestinians can be reached. The new leader MUST recognize Israel's right to exist, and do EVERYTHING in his power to protect that Right.

Another interesting article for you...by Steven Plaut. Enjoy. Let us NOT Behave Like Europeans Let us NOT behave like Europeans. For the past few years the EU has been financing generously the activities of the PLO, including its overseas Public Relations activities. It has also pumped huge amounts into the Israeli treasonous Left, the radicals working for the destruction of their own country. Let us NOT behave like the Europeans. Let us NOT now pump money into the terrorist groups who have targeted Madrid and the EU. Let us NOT pay for their ads and publicity campaigns. Let us NOT issue statements endorsing the goals of the bombers and "understanding" their grievances. Let us NOT refer to the bombers as activists and militants. Let us NOT send money to the treasonous extremist leftist organizations in the EU who will cheer the bombings. Let us NOT seek sanctions and boycotts against Spain. Let us NOT seek to have Spain indicted in The Hague. Let us NOT grant the ETA observer status in the UN. Let us NOT issue demands that al-Qaida and the government of Spain conduct negotiations. Let us NOT finance a mission by Spanish leftists to Geneva where they will meet with al-Qaida. Let us NOT denounce Spaniardism as a form of racism. Let us NOT indict the Prime Minister of Spain in Brussels as a war criminal. Let us NOT denounce the illegal Spanish "occupations". Let us NOT refer to the Spanish residents of Seville and Granada and Malaga as "settlers". Let us NOT represent treasonous Spanish leftisits as representative of their country and invite them to appear with al-Qaida terrorists at symposiums to create political balance. Let us NOT behave like Europeans.

This a.m. on The Score, Murph (who sucks!) and Fred were critical of the Harold Baines as Bench Coach move. They said that there should be an experienced bench coach if you're going to have a rookie manager (and a rookie coaching staff), and that since Baines spent most of his career as a DH, that he probably doesn't know much about baseball strategy. I tend to agree with these criticisms...another bad hire by the Sox!

I am nominating TLAK for 2004 Soxtalk "Poster of the Year"! I will buy you beers ANYTIME!!! :fthecubs

An intelligent poster!!!! All hail TLAK!!! :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs

1. The "Palestinians" are not "partners for peace". They proved that at Oslo, and continue to do so. They are not looking for statehood in the Disputed Territories, they were offered that (and turned it down!) by Barak and Clinton. That is an undisputable fact, (no matter what kind of bullcrap Apu states to the alternative!) Arafat and the "Palestinians" have shown time and time again, that anything less than the total destruction of Israel is unacceptable to them. Hence the mantra, "Palestine - from the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea". Until Israel recognizes Israel's right to exist, and acts to protect it, Isral has no choice but to meet violence with violence. 2) When the land was partitioned, the Arabs were allowed to stay, and several hundred thousand of them did so. However, many of these still perpetrated terrorist acts against the Jews of Israel. In 1967, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, etc., told the Israeli Arabs ("Palis"), get out of Israel, were going to declare war against them, annihilate them, and the Land will be yours. (6-Day War). Unfortunately, for the "Poor palis", Israel won, took over the Sinai, Gaza, west Bank and Golan Heights, and the "palis" were now homeless. At one point, they tried to live in Jordan (their historical home!), but the Jordanians slaughtered 10000+.

Thank you, Nuke! It's good to hear from someone who knows from what he speaks!!! Keep fighting the good fight, Nuke! US military = HEROES!!!

Huh???

I stand corrected. However, the UN, especially Kofi Annan has always been hyper-critical of Israel, i.e. conmdemning Israel for the "Jenin Massacre" before finding out that there was no massacre. I firmly believe that it would be in the best interests of both Israel and the USA to leave the UN. We get nothing from being UN members...absolutely nothing!

By the way, which "human rights" groups are you referring to? The UN? They have ZERO CREDIBILITY; they've never condemned one Plai homicide bombing!

Since you refuse to, (or can't) answer my previous questions, let's try another one; how would YOU solve the Israel-"Pali" dispute, if you had the power to do so?

Once again, Apu, I would suggest that if you are going to spend your time reading fiction, read Stephen King...it's much more entertaining, and REALISTIC than the crap you've cited below. This is the simple TRUTH about Israel, with re. the "palis"...Jews occupied the land of Israel almost 6,000 years ago, and have been there virtually continuously since then. (Islam is not even half as old as Judaism.) Thus, the Jews have the only (and most) legitimate claim to Israel. Put it another way, say your family owned a piece of property for 1000s of years, and I decided I wanted it. So, I set up a tent on a piece of the land. You tell me that this isn't my land, please leave. I refuse. You ask me again, I refuse. Then I decide, I want all of the property, and I'm going to kill everyone that lives there until they leave or die out. What would you do? You would protect your property and your family (unless you're a total pussy!) and you'd kill me or have me permanently removed from the property. That's what's happenning in Israel, only in my example, I am the "palis" and you are Israel. Get it? Now, don't bother me with any more of your bulls***, and don't EVER compare Zionism with Naziism, Asshole!!!

Your ENTIRE posting above is 100% wrong...every bit of it. 1) Jews have lived in Israel continuously thousands of years longer than anyone else. 2) Apu has been wrong about everything he has said. He comes up with all these "facts", and never backs them up with proof. Primarily, because it's impossible to back his opinions with facts. If you want to read fiction, I'd recommend Stephen King, he's much more interesting than Apu. 3) I called posters these names out of frustration and anger. I am angrey that there are so many people in the world who want all Jews dead, yet, there are people on this thread that support these people. How am I supposed to feel? My father and his brither and sisters were Holocaust survivors, so I am sensitive when I hear about radical Islamists who want to destroy all Jews, and people like Apu, Texsox, et. al. defend these terrorists. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.

I don't suppose you could tell me where Imight read this "well documented information", could you? Didn't think so! It's sad that you cite all your opinions as "factual", but can't back up any of them. It's even sadder that there are people that buy your line of bulls***! Don't try to sell it to me, pal!

Your comparison of Zionist to Nazis is blatant racism, Apu! You are without doubt a racist!!!

I'd like to see some guys with experience in the mix, too!!!

I'd take Prior and Wood too, but the rest of our guys are better than theirs!!!

Problem is, JR doesn't hire experienced people, cuz you have to pay them more than inexperienced ones. Welcome back, Harold!

Sounds like there's a lot of "Cub Love" in this site! :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs :fthecubs