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Interesting question. Lets say a suicide bomber got past a checkpoint, and was heading toward a populous part of town; if he can be blown away causing only minimal civilian deaths, you gotta do it. So, in that instance...yes. I would "sacrifice" Israeli civilians.

What do you find in the Sun Times piece that you think is not factual???

When there are NO other alternatives, in times of war, you have to do what you have to do. This is a war, NOT civil unrest!

That shows I didn't make up those facts and/or opinions. The b.s. that you, Apu, Steff, etc., comes right off of the tops of your heads.

Again, maybe if the IDF asks nicely, the terrorists will give themselves up. Gimme a break, Tex!!!

Read the f***ing OP ED piece...you have no idea what the hell you're talking about!!!

All Likud and the rest of the Jewish world wants is for Israel to be able to exist in peace; that's it! It is the Palestinians who want to drive the Israelis to the Sea. (Please (re)read the Sun Times Op Ed that I posted this a.m.). They are the "genocidal party" in this dispute!!!

It's called "collateral damage"...it's an unfortunate characteristic of war. The Pali militants INTENTIONALLY hid among the civilian population, use them as human shields. You have to kill them (the terrorists) when you get a chance. Maybe next time, they could ask the poor little terrorist to please go out in the open, so we can kill you without hurting anyone else. :headshake

For the "millionth time" ( I believe that NUKE, YASNY, and ISHMOOKIE have said it too), Israel has NEVER intentionally targeted Palestinian civilians, whereas that's what THe Palis ALWAYS do! That's why they can't be looked at as moral equivalents!!!

Sorry...I don't know all the nuances here (i.e. things in green). I apologize, Steff. Hope I didn't offend you.

As "your boy 'Dubya'" says, your math is fuzzy, Apu. Let me help you. In assessing blame this should be the breakdown: Palestinians 50% Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq 50% You can't put blame on Israel for being victims and targets. You can't blame Israel for trying to protect it's land and/or it's people from Arab aggressors! You can't fault the US for supporting the side of the righteous.

Obviously, you didn't bother to look at any of the websites I suggested. Please try to do so, you learn some interesting things there!

All Jews (Israelis) want peace...but "waging peace" is a 2-way street! You can't have peace when other nations, peoples, etc., have declared war against you and are constantly attacking you!!!

Absolutely, 1000% right, Yasny!!!

You need to learn to mind your own business. Spend more time with your ears open and your mouth shut...we'll all be better off if you do!

Uh uh! Dusty (the idiot) prefers veterans over young players, and loves Estes (from his Giants days). That's why Cruz never got his shot. :fthecubs

Without "Cy" Prior, the sCrUBS ain't winning dick! :fthecubs

My first car (not the family car I used to drive) was a 1999 Blazer LT. I loved my 4x4, except at the gas pump. Now I have a BMW 330i (2003). Kicks ass, but now too small, (I (we) have an 8 week old son.) I need to go bigger. Suggestions?

Rambler was (is) a bad ass ride!

I am afraid that ONLY Ishmooke, NUKE CLEVELAND and I4E know what's really going on re. this dispute. PLEASE READ the 3/23/2004 Sun Times Op Ed piece titled, "Israel Owes no Apologies for Taking Out a Killer" Fuleled by implacable hatred and thirst for blood, Hamas has massacred hundreds of Israeli men, women and children and wounded thousands more. In the last 3 1/2 years alone, according to the Jerusalem Post, 425 Hamas attacks killed 377 Israelis, 288 in suicide bombings, and wounded 2,076. The question perhaps shouldn't be why the Israelis killed the vile Ahmed Yassin on Monday, but why it took them so long to get rid of this mass murderer whose sole goal in life was slaughtering Jews and exterminating the State of Israel. Among Hamas' mass homicides were the bombing of a Tel Aviv dance club, killing 21 mostly teenage girls, and wounding 120; the explosion at a Passover seder murdering 30 (mostly elderly) and injuring 140, and the bombing of a bus taking kids to school, slaying 19 and hurting 74. There's not enough space in these columns to recount the horrors Yassin inspired and planned. He was often called the "spiritual leader" of Hamas. He worshipped only a cult of death, one that's brought grief and funerals to thousands of Palestinian homes as well as harming Israelis. And now he is dead. Good riddance. Of all the reactions to the killing of Yassin, the one that amazes us is this: NOW Israel should be preparing for the next terrorist attack. As if the Israelis don't do that every day. As if Hamas and the other murderous gangs weren't already spending every waking hour plotting ways to kill Israelis. Last week they tried to turn an 11 year old boy into a human bomb, failing only because their device didn't detonate on command. A few days earlier a couple of suicide bombers attacking the port of Ashdod tried, but fortunately failed, to get close enough to chemical facilities in hopes of blowing them up to kill hundreds, maybe thousands, of people. As it was they murdered 10. The Bush administration, like most Americans, knows a terrorist monster when it sees one, so there was no condemnation of Israel by the White House. Much handwringing was evident in Europe over the detrimental impact of killing Yassin on the "road map to peace". Of course, no such map exists because Yasser Arafat, the instigator of the 3 1/2-year terror war, still harbors dreams of driving Israelis into the Sea. (emphasis added). He, naturally, called Yassin "a martyr". The White House had no advance knowledge of Israel's plans. Israel does not need to consult with anyone in defending its people. Nor do we. And just as Israel killed Yassin, if we get Osam a NinLaden in our gunsights, we'll take him down. Now Hamas warns of attacks against America as well as Israel. We never doubted that Hamas and many Palestinians made common cause with al-Qaida. Recall the street celebrations in the Gaza Strip on 9/11. The Israelis killed Yassin with a missile fired from a helicopter. That serves as a warning that, as PM Ariel Sharon implements his plan for a unilateral separation from Gaza, the long arm of the Israeli military still will be able to reach into the Strip to retaliate for terrorist outrages.

I didn't start the thread, slick!!!

Do you EVER have an intelligent, cogent thought, or do you just sit there and try to criticize people? I'm serious...get off my f***Ing back, already!

The point is, Israel is held to a deiiferent standard than every other country. Britain condemned Yassin's death, but the Brits assassinated Nazis after WWII, and more recently, targeted/assassinated IRA terrorist in Northern Ireland. (No condemnation) The US has tried to assassinate BinLaden and Qadafi in past administrations as well. Where was the outcry?

Why do you keep saying "you Jews", instead of directing your criticism at me personally? I do not speak for all Jews, nor am I representative of them.

Thanks for forgiving US! :headshake