israel4ever

I don't recall saying all Palestinians are bad, and/or untrustworthy. Palestinian "leadership", unfortunately, is both bad and untrustworthy.

1. Once again (for about the hundredth time!) I never said Israel was perfect, or even 99.5% perfect. What I said was, with re. the conflict re. the disputed territories, Israel is 99.5% in the right. The palis have no legitimate claim to any part of Eretz Yisrael...and NEVER DID. 2. I said that as long as Arafat (the supreme terrorist) is alive, and in power of the PA, there will never be peace with the Palis! Since he ain't going anywhere, if you want peace with his people, you have to take him out. (BTW, if the US had a chance to assassinate Osama Bin Laden, do you think they should do it?) 3. Like I said (about a dozen times), I feel that to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause = to be anti-Israel. It is the same as having been sympathetic to the Nazi cause in WWII. I'm getting sick of repeating myself, but, maybe one time you'll get it; why does Arafat and the Palestinians preach "Palestine, from the River to the Sea"? This could only be accomplished if Israel was eliminated. Therefore, I equate being sympathetic to the Palestinian cause as being anti-Israel, thus, racist towards Israel! 4. This is getting boring, repeating myself to a dimwit like yourself, but, here goes. I consider myself a Jew AND a Zionist. I was born a Jew, was Bar Mitzvahed, attend high holiday services, etc. My pro-Israel beliefs are Zionist ones; I believe in the right for a Jewish state (Israel) to exist. (BTW, I have a few Christian Zionist friends too!). I don't believe in degrees of Judaism; just because someone goes to synagogue twice a week doesn't make them more of a Jew than me, just like I don't feel that there are better Catholics than others, or better Protestants than others, etc. 5. You have called me "idiot", "stupid f***", etc., yet you spell as well as I did, when I was in the 3rd grade. You don't understand/comprehend anything that is written. Like I said, in any discussion, when one party has to resort to name calling and obscene language, he loses any credibility he may have had. (Get someone to read this posting to you, verrrrrrry slowly, so maybe some of it will sink in!)

Apu...please answer this too...why does Arafat wear the "rag" on his headed purposely "pleated" in the shape of Israel. He has stated it is so he always has Israel in his (black) heart and on his mind as the Palestinian state.

If Arafat doesn't want ALL of Israel, why has his mantra always been "Palestine - from the River to the Sea"? What do your "well documented sources" say about that? (Get a copy of Bard's "Myths and Facts About the Arab-Israeli Conflict", you can get it on Amazon. Read that.)

Time, Newsweek, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times, NY Times, need I go on. I might suggest you look for your "information" in sources OTHER THAN Al Jazeera, Harpers, BBC, etc

The tickets, as unbelievable as it may sound, are sold!

I can tell by the lack of responses to this topic that no one (including me) cares about Ashlee Simpson.

The entire, normal, intelligent thinking world knows that Barak offerred Arafat 99% of his demands...even your boy Clinton will admit that! Arafat wants all of Israel...he has stated that hundreds of times. But Apu knows better. What a joke!

Where do you get your bulls***, Apu? Forget it...I don't want to know!

Then how come 68% of Palestinians surveyed said they'd want continued violence against Israel, even if they got their own state? Sharon endorsed the building of more settlements AFTER Arafat said he wouldn't disarm the militant factions (most of which are funded by Arafat himself!!!).

The "extreme Zionists" as you call them, only seek to protect what is theirs (Israel)! That is much different from these other groups who seek to "convert or destroy" nonbelievers.

The major difference is, the people of Israel want the Palestinians to have it's own State, outside of Israel proper (i.e. Gaza, or, as a part of Jordan, as was their historical homeland). The Palestinians want all of Israel! Arafat has shown (and continues to show) no willingness to follow the Road Map, NONE! The first step for the Palestinians was to disarm all of the militant groups. He has said, and continues to say that he won't do that for fear of a "civil war". So he remains at "Step Zero". Additionally, the last few "successful" terrorist attacks were done by members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, which is an organization controlled and funded by Arafat himself!

By advocating "Palestine" at all, you are advocating the destruction of Israel; the two go hand in hand. The Palestinians have consistently rejected the "two-state solution", their creed translates to, "Palestine - from the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea". That means they want to eliminate Israel. In essence then, to be pro-Palestine = pro destruction of Israel; thus, I am personally insulted by the concept of one being pro-Palestine. Can you see where I'm coming from?

My use of obscene language was not aimed at a fellow poster. It was used as an adjective to emphasize how I feel about our current President. Just because one says he sympathizes with Israel doesn't mean he has positive thoughts towards Israel. When I see "palis" children killed or maimed via collateral damage, I feel sorry for them too...it doesn't mean I have postive thoughts towards the plight of their people. All of Tex's quotes from your posting read like he might be pro-Israel, or even neutral, but that's because they are taken out of context. (BTW, for years when a person was accused of prejudice against African Americans, and their response was, "some of my best friends are black.", that was considered a racist comment.) Any 5 year old can read, comprehension is a skill!!! I do not hate you, or anyone else who posts in this site. I reserve my hate for those people who would love to see Israel and the Jewish people destroyed. I don't begrudge you, or anyone else, your opinions. I have only sought to maybe inform and/or educate the posters on certain topics of which I feel I have a strong knowledge. This thread was originally about Iraq, and our military presence therein. Nuke Cleveland was defending the military presence in Iraq, and Sideshow Apu was (typically) bashing the US and it's policies. I said that while I definitely don't support our Administration, I support our troops, and said that Hussein had to go, whether or not he had WMD. I then questioned (without mentioning names!) why there are so many people here who cannot say one positive thing about the USA, but continue to live here. That is when TexSox brought "Israel" into the debate and began his unproked attack on me! Re-read from the beginning and tell me where I am not telling the truth!

I'll give the breakdown later...UNC 2004 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!! TarHeels

Texsox's words/opinions infer a definite bias against Zionists/Israel/Jews!

1) Pollard "stole" secrets that were supposed to have been shared with Israel. For the third time, I said that I believe he should have been punished for what he did. Does that sound like I support spying on the US? 2) I implied that you are a racist because in the short time I've been posting on Soxtalk, you have never said one positive thing about Israel, nor have you supported any pro-Israel ideas. You have also personally attacked me (unprovoked) on many occasions, and have not once agreed with any of my opinions, (is it because I'm a Jew/Zionist?). 3) I never resorted to name calling or obscenities; I only hoped to have an intelligent debate on an issue, (totally different from the one for which this thread was started, YOU BROUGHT ISRAEL INTO THIS DEBATE!). To refresh your memory (AGAIN!!!) I asked why people who ONLY find fault in America wwould continue to live here...what the f**k does that have to do with Israel, Tex? 4) Since you brought up Israel, let me just say this; I resent the fact that you (and others) put Israel and the "palestinians" on the same moral ground. The evidence is overwhelming/conclusive that the "palis" reject peace with Israel; the destruction of the "Jewish State" is still in the PA mandate. They are the "Nazis", they are the ones who reject Judaism and would summarily destroy it if given the chance. They are terrorist scum! Israel, on the other hand, is probably the best country in the Middle East for the average Arab to live in. Israeli Arabs are offerred the same freedoms as are Israeli Jews; they even serve in Knesset. So tell me, how are these two peoples morally equivalent? (See if you can do so without using obscenities and/or name calling.)

Read above, Tex...I said I believe that Pollardwas guilty of spying on the US and belonged in prison. Does that sound like I support Israel spying on the US, Braniac? Reading is fun-damental!!!

Personally, I wouldn't give Wirtz a dime of my money...that's why I'm not going. My brother actually has the tix, I will ask him what he'll take for them and post a response!

Israel is an ally, China, I don't think so!!!

Ah...name calling. The last bastion of the unintelligent! Do your "Jewish friends" know that you constantly blast the State of Israel? Do they know you sympathize with those who desire the destruction of Israel and the Jews? Just wondering. Remember, you were the one that brought Israel into this discussion. I was making a point about a fellow poster who bad-mouths the USA 100% of the time. You were the one who sought to be the antagonist, and you are the weak, uninformed one who had to resort to name calling, obscenities, and accusations.

1. The 'attack" that Nixon was talking about was 30+ years ago, if it happenned at all. 2. I have NEVER seen you say one thing in support of Israel...you are always blasting Israel. Why would I get the idea that you are anti-Israel...I don't know! 3. HOW can you even think you are intelligent if you can find good on both sides of the Israel-Palestinian dispute? The "palis" don't want to coexist with Israel, never did, never will. They only want Israel's destruction!!!

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You have no basis for your resentment of Israel or me; except for the fact that you have a lot of hate in you. I don't hate you, I have pity for you and your blind racism towards Israel. All Israel (and I) want is the chance to exist in peace, without peolpe wanting to bring us down, solely based on racism. Maybe I do have utopian ideals; I believe that people should be allowed to exist freely, without the fear of annihilation...does that make me a bad guy?

Same reason we're spying on them!!!! BTW, I believe Pollard should have been imprisoned, I also believe that the "secrets" he was to have stolen should have been shared with Israel.