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QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Feb 21, 2006 -> 06:30 AM) And I love how this is somehow the state's choice to make. As a person who thinks the government is inefficient with poverty payments etc, Nuke...how can you give them the authority to take lives and believe that they will do it judiciously? The state didn't decide to kill this s***bag. A jury of his peers did.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Feb 21, 2006 -> 09:07 AM) LOL, i like how minors refers to all murderers as "thugs" Im down with that. Pieces of human filth is a little more appropriate though.

This is the type of person they put in charge of stuff in the Peoples Republic of San Francisco. How did that once proud city go so far off the deep end anyway?

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 07:05 PM) What is gained by putting a man to death? Oh yeah, nothing. A guy locked in a cell for the rest of his life is equal to a dead man. However, if we're wrong about his conviction, we can always let the guy out of his cell. What is gained? How about what is lost by killing this filth? We lose one more scumbag piece of s*** who is nothing but a drain of our tax dollars and a waste of oxygen.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 05:08 PM) I'm having my own growing pain issues with the move to the Intel chips. I figured I'd not have to worry too much about the under the hood stuff for the Director authoring I do, but it's proving not to be the case. I'm at the mercy of Adobe and the 3rd party Xtra developers to get new developer tools released or I will be in trouble with porting some interactive museum pieces I've developed onto new hardware. As for Apple playing heavy to protect its code, I'm glad they are doing it. The last thing I need is for Apple to lose more computer market share to cheap iron and decide to get out of the personal computer business. Apples MAC sales have exploded in sympathy with the IPOD or so says CNBC from time to time.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 12:53 PM) If you could have one person (living or dead) over for dinner who would that person be?.....what would you ask that person? Ronald Reagan. Id have about a bazillion questions to ask him but Id really love to find about all that went on behind the scenes that helped end the Cold War.

QUOTE(minors @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) While I don't have an opinion on ID, I do believe that alternatives to evolution should be mentioned in science classes. I think ID is going a little far. Its place is in Sunday school not regular school. Im a very vocal proponent of allowing prayer and other religous displays in schools but I think thats going a little far.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 09:04 AM) As far as money goes, I tend to favor much stricter ceilings on individual and corporate donations per year, and anything else that would make the process less about money and more about winning support. While you're at it there should be laws in place that deny Labor Unions the ability to use union dues for political purposes unless the membership approves. I found it SOOOOOOOO funny that they were so vocally opposed to that measure. I mean God forbid they use their money on what the membership actually wants it used for.

QUOTE(minors @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) Looks like execution is still on. I highly doubt this appeal will be granted unless the lawyers get some bleeding heart who feels sorry for this thug. And since this is California that is always a possibilty. I have no doubts this is the thug who tourtured that young girl no one deserves to die like that. The case is rock solid with Morales having the murder weapons and her blood on them. I thought for sure they were going to pussy out and not kill Tookie but I was proven wrong. I have a lot more confidence in Cali to get the job done now.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Nuke received a A in his military prison guard class. I should be writing the curriculum. Personally I believe those who terrorize others and make their lives miserable should have the same thing done to them. I wonder how much they'd like animals if I sicced a bunch of rabid dogs on em?

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 10:55 AM) i think the biggest problem is here is that many people are forgeting what the United Nations was designed to do. It's not designed to promote American causes around the world. You gotta take the good with the bad. If we start thinking that our opinions, goals, ideals, etc are more important than those of Europe, Asia, etc... we are in for some big problems. Its also not designed to frustrate American interests at every turn. Its not designed to be a corrupt organization, the influence of which is for sale to whatever despot pays enough in bribes. Its also not designed to be utterly hypocritical in its actions. Like claiming to be a champion of human rights around the globe and then putting states like Sudan, Syria and China in charge of it. I agree that the UN is not a puppet of the US but its utterly impossible for us to get a fair shake the way things are now.

People like that should be rounded up and locked in a 5' x 5' cell for a whole lot of years. Just small enough so you cant stand up or lay down.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 20, 2006 -> 01:14 PM) Plus he slept with Ann Coulter. *holds nose* He did!? If so Id be surprised if his penis isin't mounted in her trophy case.

I have no problem with placing cameras in public places and on street corners in high crime areas but private residences is going WAY too far. Line has to be drawn somewhere.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) Why was it so easy for Clinton to get him, but Bush hasn't been able to in 5 years? Perhaps we are thinking it would have been easier then than it actually was? Now that Bin Laden is actually a marked man he went into hiding in nowhere Afghanistan/Pakistan. Not hard to figure out. He could afford to be out in the open when nobody was gunning for him.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:52 PM) Just wondering, if these are the lowest increases in military wages, does it mean that during the Clinton years, the military received higher increases every year? That is surprising me, based on all the Clinton gutted the military and moral being low. We could always use more soldiers, I don't think we ever could really have enough. But how could a million soldeirs have prevented 9/11? For years there has been a law in place that mandated a military pay hike of .5% more than the average civillian worker got. I dont know how far back it dates but its been a long time. During the early years of the Bush Administration pay went up huge. 7+% I think in 2001 and 2002's was right behind it. Thats not the point though. The bad morale in the Military during the Clinton years is VERY real. I was personally there for the end of it ( I went in in 1998 ) and a whole lot of people openly despised Clinton and how he dismantled the Army ( I can only imagine what the Air Force thought of him since they got it worse from what I heard ) . There was a massive brain drain of experienced leadership during that period too due to early-outs being offered to pretty much anyone who was within shouting distance of their 20 year mark with a lot of folks allowed to retire at 15 years. We've only in the last few years gotten over that one and it took going to war to replace the experience pool. On your last point. Im not saying a million soldiers would have prevented 9-11 ( had Clinton not trashed the CIA that would have helped ) but all the time I hear about how we dont have enough troops to fight the wars that followed. Had we been focused on transforming that Cold War force instead of gutting it we'd be in far better shape to handle whats on our plate now.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:45 PM) This has nothing to do with Bolton doing anything to reform the UN. Annan's term s just about up and Bolton just started talks on who'll be the replacement. Thank god for that. Annan has been a total disgrace. Hopefully the new administration will be less corrupt and anti-American. The bar is set pretty low though so whoever gets in now wont have to do a lot to outshine Kofi.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:38 PM) Gee -- first it is "Clinton did nothing!" That gets proved wrong. Then it's "Clinton do as much!" That gets proved wrong. Then it's this new one. This is hilarious how much blame you want to put on Clinton without having the factual basis to back up your irrational hatred. Does he have some blame? Of course. But not nearly the amount you're wanting to heap upon him merely because of the D after his name. What are you smoking?! He didnt do a damn thing to stop terrorism and thats what Ive been saying all along. What he did do ( gutting the CIA and Military ) helped facilitate it. Pay attention to whats being said before you make smartass comments.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:31 PM) I would be very surprised if this doesn't get killed in the Senate. If the Republicans have any balls they'll push it through. The UN needs to understand that they cant go on with their corrupt and Anti-American agenda and have us continue to pay for it.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:27 PM) Yet it was Gingrich and the rest of the people thirsting for him to drop trow on the floor of Congress so they could see the distinguishing characteristics of his wang saying that his efforts were "wagging the dog". And actually the CIA admitted (if you read my previous posts with Bojinka and my citations) that the CIA had doubts about the intel and therefore didn't want to go through with the hit. Clinton authorized it but the CIA wasn't sure it was him. The Sudan thing -- it was up to Bush's favorites, the House of Saud, to take him into custody and then be given to the US. But the US/Sudan couldn't convince the Saudis to do it. Hence, the US couldn't get him. Your anti-Clinton hackery is quite hilarious and really devoid of anything called "Facts". Hell, I don't even like Clinton but I won't admit that he did nothing because he actually did combat terrorism. Whats hilarious is that you defend his INaction and act like he was some sort of crusader against the Islamo-fascist movement. His gutting of the CIA and the military, combined with his unwillingness to respond to several terrorist attacks opened the door nice and wide for Bin Laden to hit WTC.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 02:11 AM) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_...zkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- I thought I was reading a summary of yesterday's events. Instead, it was more fanactical violence in another continent. I'm wondering when the moment is going to arrive when a country is fed up with the issue and unleashes heavy gunfire upon a crowd. Everyday, protests abrupt. Everyday, they appear to be growing more violent. Think of these excerpts for a second: Sounds like protestors used the occasion as a convenient excuse to kill some of their neighboring Christians. Exactly what you want to do--encite further civil violence and begin a holy war. I stand by what I said in the thread title. Religon of peace?! My f***ing ass.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 07:39 AM) I will say that Clinton not keeping his zipper up started a chain of events that led to his final couple years to be less than effective. If he had made Bin Laden a huge issue, the GOP would have been screaming tail wagging the dog. There is plenty of blame to go around and both parties have "blood on their hands". Did he do anything meaningful to attack Bin Laden? No. He lobbed a few cruise missiles into empty terrorist camps then bragged how he was getting tough on terrorism. PLEASE! He could have had the CIA kill Bin Laden when they knew where he was. He could have gotten him friom Sudan and failed. He could have done a million things but like was the norm for Clinton, he did just enough to take the focus off his impeachment.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/18/un.reform/index.html They dont want to listen to a reasoned appeal for reform then, like a bratty child, they're going to get their allowance cut off.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 12:32 PM) I'm saying that Kofi is indeed a bastard. However, I'm not so sure the US should be the one leading that charge because they knew of the scandal and did nothing when it was going on. Rooting out the corruption takes an entity who didn't have their thumb in the pie to be successful. Who's your nominee? France? Russia? China? Oh, wait, you're 3 favorite anti-war nations were all selling Saddam weapons in direct violation of the arms embargo. Since we pay all the bills over there we should do the house cleaning.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 19, 2006 -> 01:33 AM) To answer your question: hell, if such actions would be guaranteed, I'd wouldn't flinch if I heard if the filth was beaten to death. However, I don't believe such treatment of rapists occurs as often as we might believe. Prison murders don't go unnoticed. ACLU wants to be sure their rapist and pedophilic clients are assured civil liberties within prison. Very true. Thank god vicious criminals have someone to look out for them. Too bad their victims dont. :rolly