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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-mearday22.html Remember this s***bag anyone? Hes the one who got roughed up by the cops back in 97 and got paid 1.75 million for it. Everyone said what a poor guy this was and how innocent he was. Innocent my ass. They shoulda beat him harder.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) How can anyone say anything bad about Orton or Grossman? Orton helped this team win 9 of 10 (if you include the start Sunday night, which, even tho he sucked, we were still winning 6-3 at halftime). I mean, c'mon, rookie QB get's thrown into the fire. I think he held his own pretty good. And as for Grossman, the book is still out on him. Both injuries were freak injuries, so I don't count those against him, yet. One more like that and I will begin to wonder. This team lost confidence in their QB and yet are still 10-4...that' pretty f'in amazing. Dude, they won in spite of Orton not because of him.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) 0.9%!!!!! That's un-farking-believable!!! I'm surprised he didn't just explode when he was run over...one spark and BOOM!!! Im shocked it took a truck running his drunk ass over to kill him and not twice the lethal BAC. LOL!

LOL! Speaking of the Hawks they just got absolutely CRUSHED by Nashville. Kabby the 7 million dollar man was totally outplayed by yet another backup goalie and they lose 6-1. There's no saving this team.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.d...EWS01/512210407 Common Sense rules...........at least in one part of the country.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) I think Iraq has the right to try him in Iraq. If they want they can send it off to some 'international' court in Europe. Or maybe just give him a seat on the UN human rights council. lol Yeah. Hed fit right in with Syria, Cuba, Lybia and all those other "shining examples" who currently sit on there. What a joke.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/21/...rial/index.html I laughed for 10 minutes straight after reading this. I strongly doubt this is true but even if it is does anyone really give a s***?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 08:35 AM) I doubt the Iraqi's have figured out fraud and harrassment this early in their democracy You'll know they're up to speed when they start having dead people voting.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 08:26 AM) I don't have a problem with that at all. I believe one of the most important role our leaders have is to be cheerleaders. Reagan came at a great time, the hangover from Nixon, Vietnam, Carter, Ford's WIN, etc. The comes in, riding a white horse, and cleans up the world with a smile and a nod. Clinton was blowing a sax, shaking off the President as old guy image, Bush comes flying in on an aircraft carrier, I love all that stuff. People feel better, the work harder, and it really does help. Clinton's "I feel your pain" was brilliant and he pulled it off well, and people reacted. After 9/11 I thought Bush deserved high a marks, not as a manager, but as a spiritual advisor, source of comfort, and cheerleader. If the pr flacks can help that, go for it. For the same reason I was dissapointed in Bush during the hurricanes. I thought he's be at his absolute best for the country. I wanted to see him with rolled up sleeves, jeans, boots, and helping. I know it would have only been for a few seconds, he's stop when the cameras stopped rolling, but I'd remember that and feel better. He would be emmulating the behavior and offering up a model. A politician has to ask, what's the best thing to do here and now in this crisis? It may be to grab a bag of sand and place it there. It is probably better to encourage a thousand people to grab a bag and place it there. That makes much more sense than just placing one bag annonymously. Everything a leader says and does is important in the time of a natural tragedy. We want them looking and acting in a manner that helps. So if wearing jeans and scooping some soup for the homeless helps, then do that. I think too many people underestimate what feeling good about the future and feeling good about America does to the economy, crime rates, and everything else. Our best Presidents make us feel good about ourselves and America. There is substance to emotions. You mentioned Bush post-9-11. Who can forget the image of him standing on a pile of rubble with a bullhorn telling the firefighters that we're gonna get the bastards who did this. That was a timeless moment right there.

Nine Inch Nails "Closer" Too lazy to post the lyrics.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) That is probably because the Army doesn't allow you to think for yourself . . . You jest but I was one long before I joined.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:30 AM) I say "if true" because I'm not a constitutional scholar. I'm not a lawyer. It looks like he broke the law. And a big one at that. The "they all did it" excuse doesn't fly with me, ever. And I'm sorry that I hold my President up to a high standard, but I do. You think we only b**** about Bush and talk about it being the worst f'ing president ever - but what other president have we had presiding over office here in the US since Soxtalk has been online? Oh yeah, none. You sit there and yell get a f'in message all the time, but when people actually tell you what the message is - you don't listen and shout louder. The message seems pretty clear: Responsibility, Accountablity: screaming for investigation over government missteps because the GOP refuses to do so. Protecting our Environment: fighting to stop an add-on regarding ANWR drilling in Alaska, because its risk with relatively little reward. Protecting the working class: fighting to stop the privatization and dismantling of Social Security. Enhancing National Security: Why don't you ask Senator Lautenberg if he's been fighting to make sure that Port Elizabeth and Newark Airport might actually get the chance to screen cargo going in and out of this country via ship for nuclear, biological, or chemical weaponry. Or how about cargo on passenger planes getting screened? Cause right now he can't get the funding to make that happen. The list goes on. But their bills don't get heard in Congress. Their agenda doesn't get the chance to get a hearing half the time. It's hard to be on the offensive policy wise when the other side is threatening to tear down all of the safeguards that protect you and I physically and financially. It's hard to be on the offensive policy wise when the other side is trying to change the constitution or otherwise appearing to have a blatant disregard for the constitution in many other cases. Rex. You are familiar with what happened in 1994 right? The Republicans came up with a strong message and stuck to it and they trounced the Dems about as thoroughly as could have been done and haven't looked back since. We didn't whine about Clinton, we refuted his socialist agenda, dragged him through the mud in the mid-terms, and forced him to become the moderate he promised he would be.

Im about as hard core of an ® as they come.

QUOTE(Balance @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 02:10 PM) Southside and Nuke- lots of name-calling, not a lot of substance. The Democratic Party's message can be totally summed up in 3 words : I hate Bush .........and you talk about substance. LOL!

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 20, 2005 -> 05:27 AM) And yet Matt Millen still has a job. Gotta feel sorry for those Lions fans. Correct me if Im wrong but weren't their fans literally taking to the streets to demand his job? TOO FUNNY!

"If I want your opinion I'll beat it out of you" From Code of Silence Baddest ass movie quote ever!

John Conyers can suck a fat one. This BS motion is going to get slam dunked right back in his face.

Campaign platform probably was: A chicken in every pot...........and a line of coke up every nose ( and every American nose also ). Whats with all these neo-communist Castro wanna-bees winning elections in South America anyway?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Orton played passable those 2 Detroit games id say he looked more like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson in those games while he has been complete dog s*** all the other games. Lets not forget the fact that Detroit f***ing blows.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/20/nyc.transit/index.html They better get this resolved fast. I tried to drive in Manhattan once when I was there on vacation last year and it SUCKED!!! I can only imagine how bad it'd be with all those public transit riders having to drive in to work.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 10:48 PM) I love the outrage and the anger over something that has been going on for years. Whats the difference, one president actually admitted doing it. BTW Apu if you want to find that perfect democracy that would never ever spy on their own people, I would start by eliminating the partners in the Echelon network England, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. I am sure the French and the Russians today dont spy on their own, but then again they do. Actually outside of fairytale would you find a single country in the world, if not in modern history that hasnt performed survelliance /spying on their own people. But I guess thats ok because its not the hated George Bush. Now who is behind the biggest upgrades and push to Echelon. Was it Bush in a post 9/11 push of fear and anger. No it was President Clinton. Echelon and spying on your own people is not something new. The system was built in the 70's, and the biggest upgrad happened under Clintons watch. Only a fool would believe that this is something unique to the evil republicans and their leader George Bush cooked up. Clinton seem to love this spying thing. I guess its okay if a Dem orders the spying I wonder how many these companies gave to the Clinton campaign fund. I am pretty sure that all US presidents have acted in this manner. They have all had some sort of survelliance in some sort of manner behind the closed doors. Do you really believe that the military under FDR wasnt spying on japanese americans, or that Eisnhower or JFK didnt do the same thing. Come on. The only difference is today we have better technology. What is the difference between those presidents and Bush. Bush admits it. Why because he feels he is doing it for the best interests of the US. Just like all of the presidents before him probably thought. Get over the conspiracy theories and the "OMG MY RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED". Let me sum it up for you everyone is spying on you. When you go to work and you send an email or use the computer your company is spying on you. I work as a security engineer at my company. We watch every single thing every one of our associates do(email, call detail, internet, im, fax transmissions). I can pull up an IM conversation in session, and see Jimmy trying to pick up random internet chick on company time. And everyone of our users have volunteered for this. Because they click on a little I agree icon(acceptable use policy). Then when we are firing them for surfing for porn, or sending our patents to our competitors. They cry about their rights. I am sure that most have done this at their work and dont think about it. If you use any electronic mediums to communicate you should pretty much assume that it isnt safe. Why because the government is listening to you. No because your neighbor with some smarts in electronics can spy on your cell phone calls, or your home cordless phones. Your email is open to the world, your computer probably has had some spyware on it and has sent out some of your personal information. Your web browsing is being documented probably by others. BTW make sure you triple sooper dooper shred your documents or someone will do some dumpster diving and steal your info.Yes this is the Assume the worst, and then lose the paranoia for a few minutes and put down the Orwell chronicles and figure that maybe just maybe this doesnt have anything to do with you. Are these intercepts by your neighbor, unintended personelle illegal. Yes. But you go ahead and try and catch them. You try and pinpoint someone who is passively intercepting your information. In the end this has been happening for years, stop watching "Enemy of the State" and drink a beer. Go back into the matrix neo, its ok. More manufactured outrage from the left because the wrong guy is in office. With all the whining, pouting and crying going on about this issue the folks at Kimberly Clark ( makers of Kleenex ) must be laughing all the way to the bank.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 11:35 PM) Sorry the "well, the other party did it too so it must be OK" argument is like a pregnant woman -- they both can't hold their water. There is a major difference between a private company and the US where the government cannot fly in the face of the 4th Amendment. They could have easily got the wiretaps LEGALLY (well, even with the questionable legality of the Patriot Act which FISA had said may not meet 4th Amendment must but "almost certainly comes close") I just smash Bush for his anti-4th amendment crap because he's said he wants to limit the scope of government while taking every goddamn opportunity to give he and his cronies more power. But I'm sure COINTELPRO type activities are perfectly fine in America. Once again APU is whining about his rights being violated. The government doesn't give a flying f*** about Joe Sixpack, they're out to find out what people suspected of illegal activity are talking about. With you presumably being a law abiding citizen you have more to fear about someone listening in on you from some joker walking past your house and overhearing your rants about Bush than the NSA listening in. Does that mean you're going to lean out your window and scream at every passerby for invading your privacy?

Hot damn the Mods finally got the issue of what to do with all the political talk right. Thanks guys.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:34 PM) i don't think he's that bad Kramer seemed to do OK with Turner: "In 1995, with Erik Kramer at QB, the Bears set a team record for passing yards per game with 233.9 while compiling the fourth-most points in team history with 392. Kramer set club records with 29 TD passes (most) and 10 INTs (least among 16-game starters)"

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Actually, Henry Hyde has announced his retirement. Duckworth's first electoral challege will be to win the Democratic nomination on March 21, 2006. She's running against Christine Cegelis, a software engineer, in that contest. Then it's on to the general election against State Senator Peter J. Roskam, a conservative Republican who is the minority caucus whip in Springfield. I'm hearing a lot of condescending knee-jerk nonsense in this thread. I'm guessing the “handicapped” part may not bother her constituents as much as it seems to bother some folks here. Hey, did those of you acting all outraged feel the same way about Bob Dole? Personally I think brandishing war wounds around on the campaign trail is wrong-headed. Its not the fact that she's handicapped that bothers me its the fact that she was recruited for candidacy because of it. Politicians should stick to the issues.