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QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 08:31 AM) You know, I can respect that opinion. I just don't buy into the fact that this cold blooded murderer is an asset to society. I wish that was the least of it. Lets not forget the gang he founded is responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of young men and the poisoning of entire neighborhoods with drugs. But he wrote a couple of childrens books so everythings alright now. :rolly

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/12/williams...tion/index.html Cali Supreme Court says no. As long as Arnold doesn't wimp out this scumbag will finally get what was coming to him.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 01:49 AM) Yeah it's getting pretty tight up there, but today's win was huge and most importantly, our O-Line was a lot better. But a couple of teams are going to miss out, but at least the NFC has actually been a lot more comptetitive this season. Unfortunately the NFC is competing about 2 levels down from the AFC. Whoever comes out of the AFC ( Im hoping against hope that Cincy can knock off Indy in the playoffs ) is going to make short work of their NFC opponent in the playoffs.

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Since you don't read very well I'll spell it out for you. The Navy's own investigation says attack was not in malice. The CIA says the attack was not intentional The Senate said that crewmans claims of a malicous attack were WITHOUT MERIT. The House says there is NO EVIDENCE to support claims made by the veterans of tha attack. NONE, ZERO. If that's not enough then tell me what the Isrealis would have to gain by attacking an American ship and pissing off their greatest benefactor. It doesn't add up APU and you damn well know it. When you're gonna say you owned someone make sure you have something to back it up with.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 11:17 PM) Why, then, are more palestinians killed than Israelis? Seriously, if the Palestinians are the ones blowing up the innocents and old and by-standers, why are so many of them killed? You throw rocks at a hornets nest you're gonna get stung. Thats all I can say about that one.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) When the world intervenes, via the UN, all they do is issue a resolution about how bad Isreal is and nothing about the other side. You know, if they would just quit trying to destroy Isreal, most of the problems would just go away. The mad obsession some of these people have with destroying Isreal just blows my mind.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) And if Israel would just stop promoting a quasi-apartheid state, murdering children, setting up a nuke program without the world's knowing (except for the whistleblowing of Mordechai Vanunu) and plainly stopped acting like a bunch of thugs then they'd have nothing to worry about. As scholar Norman Finkelstein once said "If the Israelis don't like the allusions to the Nazis, then they must simply stop acting like Nazis." Don't get me wrong, I don't promote the violence of the Palestinians -- but when you actively shoot missiles into apartment buildings and have lots of collateral damage (not to mention shooting kids throwing rocks at tanks...or attaching kids to your vehicles to prevent rock throwing, for instance) then you've gotta expect people to be pissed off. Not to mention putting up a wall and not allowing farmers to get to their crops, kids to get to their schools, etc. When you add in the attack on the USS Liberty (not to mention the potential Pentagon spy and the other already convicted spy Johnathan Pollard), it makes you wonder why Israel is still an ally. Here we go again. To accuse Isreal of "acting like a bunch of Thugs" is totally laughable. You want thuggery how about people running into weddings, restaurants, hopping on board busses and blowing themselves up for no other reason to kill as many Isrealis as possible regardless of whether they're civillian or military. Or how about the country with the largest military in the region openly saying they're going to wipe Isreal off the map and developing the nukes to do it with. You complain about the wall going up. How are they supposed to stop suicide bombers from getting to their targets then? Ask em nicely? Send a dozen roses? If Mexicans were doing suicide attacks in Texas or California you had best believe we'd do the same thing along our border. The attack on the Liberty excuse is getting old as well. There were standing orders not to get near the coastline in that area, Isreal had asked the US for the exact location of our ships in the area ( something we failed to provide ), and oh, then there's the TEN seperate investigations by the US government concluding that the attack was a mistake and finding us to be just as much at fault as they were. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...y/liberty2.html Oh but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good anti-Isreal conspiracy theory now. :rolly

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Isreal: Committed to peace Iran is in the process of acquiring nukes and their leader goes public saying he wants Isreal wiped off the map. If you were Isreal would you feel threatened? NAAAAAAAAH

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html Think things are crazy in the Middle East now? HAR HAR HAR.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) I say we go to the XFL rules and allow players to put whatever they want on their back. Joe's name can be "He K Me" and his number will go up for each strikeout he gets. If that was the case then Borchard would have to wear smaller numbers cause when he goes triple digits in strikeouts they'd wrap around.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Orton had a good game. The Offensive line was awful and the Receivers didn't help either. He went out and threw for 207 yards and no interceptions. Was he perfect? No, but this should've been good enough to win. The Defense crapped their pants today. Oh mur---der they gave up 21 whole points. May as well have been 50 with Orton leading us. On the bright side we managed an offensive touchdown this week. WOO HOO!!! Probably be our last one this season. ( I'm only half joking )

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Ok so if the defense has a bad game it's just ok for the offense to f***ing blow? Interesting. You cannot possibly expect this defense to hold teams under 10 week in a week out when they are on the field over 30 minutes every f***in game. That's just insane.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 10, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) Why should we give up a very good starting pitcher along with other key players/prospects to fill a need that we do not have, SS. Agreed. Uribe is more than capable of handling SS. Awesome defensively and serviceable with the bat.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) You're still not getting it. It's not a singular player. If I was charting the game, I would say the Stillers ran for about 150 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 0 sacks. The bears got about 20 of their rush yards between the tackles, and allowed 3 sacks. The point of attack was dominated on both sides of the ball by the Stillers. Orton has nothing to do with that. What you saw today was one football team imposing it's will on the other. Even when the bears were on their streak -- wait, I should say after Thomas Jones got injured -- they haven't been a power running team. They've been a finesse rushing team. AND even a finesse defensive team. They've relied on defensive speed more than anything. That was exploited today in the adverse conditions where the bears had to chop their steps to keep their footing. They couldn't fly to the ball. -- The Bears are a turf team right now. They got beat in the snow by a team that was better equiped to play in those conditions. There's not much your QB is going to do about that. See: Peyton in Foxboro Bears couldn't get any pressure on Ben all day. He had all kinds of time to find his recievers and that got them their lead. Once they got their lead they handed off to Bettis and that other guy and that was that. Steelers offensive line won that game for them today. As for Orton, it finally got left to him to go out and win a game and he failed, not miserably, but he failed none the less. I also hate how the Bears abandoned the running game in the 1st half. Jones didn't get many carries and Peterson basically got the day off.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) Well, it's actually two games since we hold the tiebreaker over them for the time being. Looks like the last week of the season is gonna be HUGE. Bears get 1 more cookie with Green Bay on Christmas but sandwiched with tough games against Atlanta and, of course, Minny. Its gonna be dicey. They win next week against Atlanta they have a good shot at locking up the division cause Pitt goes to Minny next week.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) Just a great day all around. Bite me.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Last three weeks: Pittsburgh rushing yards: 83 yrds/game Today: 179 and counting yards. Damn joo Kyle Orton. Joo need to stop the run! I've been saying this all throughout the winning streak. The defense was going to have an off day and the question would be could the offense step up. Well, Kyle Orton answered that one for us today. Because we all know 21 points given up by the defense is SOOOOOOO insurmountable.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:51 PM) GO JAGS! Jags are within a TD now. At least they're putting up a fight.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Hopefully that last pass on the slant will tip the scales toward Rex Grossman. It wont. Those 2 deep throws Orton actually completed on the TD drive cemented Orton's place as starter for the remainder of the season. Lovie Smith is to Kyle Orton like Ozzie Guillen is to Timo Perez.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) The Republicans suddenly gave Montana up? And Virginia? And Michigan? Montana's always had a Democratic Senator ( Baucas I think his name is ).

Anyone want to take bets on whether that was the last Bears offensive touchdown of the season?

Bears get the ball back needing 2 TD's. Im not optimistic.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) Who had a worse game? Urlacher or Orton? Jones or Orton? Keep grindin' that axe though. Gotta keep it sharp. Jones would have a better game if they'd have given him the ball instead of having Orton overthrow on 7 yard patterns the whole 1st half. BTW. Why has Adrian Peterson not gotten any carries? Bears totally abandoned the running game and it cost em.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) I have this feeling like that TD drive might have been a bad thing. My thinking is that Lovie wanted to cut/bench Bobby Wade right before the first game against Detroit. However, Wade got a punt return for a TD that game and Lovie has stuck with him since. I wonder if this drive might buy Orton another start. Probably did. BLAH