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QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 10:31 AM) You talk to military personell that have returned from Iraq, and they'll tell you this type of story is what's happening over there and the media is only telling one side of the story. As one of those guys who has returned from over there I can honestly say that you are spot on.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) So ... At what point do we stop accepting it and say that's enough? I don't know where the line is but clearly we are not going far enough as things stand now. It's not hard to see though that the type of terrorism that Isreal has been dealing with for decades is making it's way westward and they are the very best at dealing with it. Perhaps we should use them as a template.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) It depends on what they get in return. Konerko

For all those who are bothered by hightened security I only have 4 words. GET USED TO IT. Get used to being searched at random. Get used seeing heavily armed police in public spaces. Get used seeing canine patrols. Get used to it all because problems such as suicide bombings, random shootings and kidnappings are no longer something you hear about going on in someplace like Isreal or Beirut or Baghdad, it's coming and its coming to a city near you.

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 10:10 AM) Just heard a story being reported that those profiling bobbies in London chased and shot to death a male with a FULL LENGTH COAT ON IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER who ran from the bobbies after they attempted to stop him to investigate why a sane man would be wearing a full length coat in the middle of summer. Saw the pics too of the four wanted for questioning in yesterday's botched attacks. Big surprise here..... they look middle eastern and they're male . Yeah but we can't scrutinize Middle Eastern males more than anyone else. That's racist.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) Karl Rove wrote the article. Didn't you know that, Nuke? The sad part is that you'll never see an article like that in the bloodthirsty mainstream press. If you want good news you're forced to go looking for military press releases.

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Privacy has been invaded ever since I can remember and I'm only 30. Racial profiling, to the chagrin of, primarily, minorities, is a useful tool to initiate investigations. And BTW..... white males are profiled just like black males are. Don't believe me? Ask a CPD tactical cop what he'd do if he saw a white male strolling the streets of Chicago's west side around Madison and Kedzie or Chicago's south side around 43rd and Federal. Why aren't the lefties here and the Jessie's of the world screaming bloody murder when it's primarily WHITES arrested during the reverse-buy stings on the west and south sides of Chicago? Hmmmm..... Wait a minute...........you mean white people are singled out for police scrutiny too?!?!?! SAY IT AINT SO!!!!

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 07:38 AM) Why does this matter? We save these people - no matter what they do. This is the kind of stuff that NEEDS reported. Why else does this article matter? I'll share in a bit after some feedback. Wait a minute. I thought the US military was a gang of bloodthirsty baby-killers. This must have been made up. IT CANT BE TRUE!!!!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 09:07 AM) I doubt they will either to be quite honest. Especially since it sounds like all of these attacks have been by people with at least middle eastern desent, even if they were residents of Britian. We all know many of our police racial profile on a good day, now we are talking second rate subway cops? Yeesh. Call me a cynic I guess, but like I said, I am surprised it took this long. It shouldn't have. Mass Transit is such an easy target and yet its the least protected of all forms of transportation. What shocks me is that we haven't had London style attacks on our mass transit systems yet.

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) BTW..... I have a feeling all the "infringing on my civil rights" people here would go absolutely ape-s*** on you-know-who and all his underlings if/when a subway gets bombed here talking on-and-on about you-know-who didn't do enough, blah, blah, blah..... People were being searched well before 09/11 people and it has been ruled that the searches ARE NOT an infringment on your civil rights. The government absolutely can't win with these people. When measures are taken to protect people then they start whining about how their rights are being infringed on but if nothing gets done then they b**** that we are not protected. My question to these fair weather rights advocates is how would you protect a target as soft and wide open as mass transit? ( Sits back primed and ready to laugh ).

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 09:36 AM) They better damn well search every god-damn middle eastern looking person trying to get onto a subway, train, plane and/or bus. And don't blame the United States or the NYPD..... blame MIDDLE EASTERN MEN AND WOMEN for perpetuating the stereotype. I f***ing laugh everytime I'm traveling on some type of public transportation and a 2 year old black boy is searched, a 70+ year old hispanic woman is searched, and a 30-something business woman is searched just for the sake of "randomness" while a middle eastern man or woman is allowed a free pass just so the authorities don't appear to be acting prejudicially. Call me what you will, but I'd raise holy hell if I was getting onto a plane and I got searched but some middle eastern man didn't just to be "PC". I'd raise hell even if I wasn't searched. The day a 2 year old boy or a 70+ year old woman or a 30-something business woman hijack's a plane or blows up a bus, that's the day they should start being searched. And the searches should not be limited to just the middle eastern men. If they're traveling with family, everyone of them gets searched too. In a world where a religion is perverted to the point where many believe that if they blow themselves up and take as many innocents with them that that act will get them a free pass to Allah, I wouldn't put it past them to strap the bombs to their wives and/or children. And white males have lost their right's thanks to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and the Columbine nit-wits. I totally agree Killa. I got on a plane once and me with a valid Military ID got damn near strip searched, some old lady behind me was hassled and given a hard time yet this Middle Eastern dude with a turban and a foot long beard was let by with no issues.

QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 04:43 AM) It really is getting f***ing ridiculous. 9/11 was a tragedy, no doubt, but the brutal fact of the matter is that the attack resulted in the deaths of roughly .00001% of the US population. There is no way in hell that the infiringements upon our personal liberties, blatant disregard for our constitution, constant fear tactics delivered by our government, and a president with carte blanche powers over war, can be justified by an incident that claimed the lives of .00001% of our population. It's absolutely mad. Worse yet, a surprising majority of our citizens back these insane attacks on liberty. Ask 10 people how they feel and probably 7-8 of them will respond with the ole loveable, "well, if you don't have anything to hide why should it bother you?" response. Federal legislation like the Patriot Act and local legislation like this bag search program should be raising cynicism across party lines; the democrats and their strong backing of civil liberties and republicans with their strict constitutionalist tendencies. Well, neither party gives a s*** beside their fringe members. Our "free" press does very little to bring sanity to the debate, for fear brings about better ratings. We're walking down a treachorous road. We need to start getting the common man back in power from Washington down to the smallest municipalities. You're getting all worked up over something they've been doing in airports since time began. This is the exact thing only its less intrusive. If we searched people's bags in an airport the way they plan on doing in mass transit you'd be screaming that the government is not doing enough to keep us safe. :rolly

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) The bottom 7-8-9 is still awful. Still only one person (Pods) who can work a count. That's not a lineup that will go far in the postseason, if you ask me. This lineup = the 2000 lineup. When they get to the playoffs they are gonna get shut down big time and then complain about the sun being in their eyes just as a certain someone infamously did back in 2000. They need to stop swinging for the damn fences every at bat.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) That best record in baseball thing only goes so far. HOLY f***ING HELL THATS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) You do that while he still consistantly gets Pods to 3rd. It's not his offense that is bothering me. He can still uncork a timely hit and he is really good at moving runners along as you mentioned. His defense is what's bothering me lately though. Like I said earlier, he looks lost out there lately.

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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) This is a must win. THe cubans blow. Thanks a lot you ass you made me spit ginger ale on my laptop. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) RIP EM!! Rip those cocky cocksuckers!! Lee Elia's rant is so awesome. By just tweaking the words a little you can taylor it to any situation you might run into. Killa's the one who showed me the light on that one.

Another huge test for Garland. So far he's been up to most every challenge thrown at him and he's gonna need to be sharp for tomorrow. RIP EM!!!!!!!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) I am sure that Buerhle thought they were a piece of cake. High BA, leading the league in singles, doubles, OPS and OBP. What this mean is that not only do they have the power. But they constantly put pressure on a defense. They are constantly on base. They constantly hit the ball and put it in play. Our pitching is a series of guys who dont really strike out a lot, they let the hitters put the ball in play. This is not exactly a good mix. Buerhle, Garland and Garcia will give up runs. The idea that they will just shut down good hitting teams is very myopic at best. Our offense needs to hit better to support our pitching. We have seen numerous times this year and for the past few years that when a pitcher spots a fastball on the outer half our guys will shut down because of their pull happy tendancies. We are not a playoff tested team. We have some players who have played in the playoffs. But you should review our record as a team this year with big crowds. We dont play well with the large crowds. The spincters gets a bit tight and we s*** all over ourselves. Like I said in an earlier post this team is too much like the 2000 team. It's just too easy to shut our offense down.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) I have not given up on really anyone this season, but for me, Konerko is done in my book. There is no way you can count on him for ANYTHING anymore but an HR, and just been a stopper to so innings. I actaully still have faith in Juan, and I will put money on the fact AJ will heat up, but im done with Paul. Kong is the king of the solo shot and that's about all. He comes up in a clutch situation and he wets his pants every time. I've been one of his staunchest supporters here but I'm beginning to think we need someone else there. He's just too unreliable at the plate now.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) Well I don't know. Check his stats of all his games, and get back to us. I'm sure he's gotten some guys out. You might not have to check, it appears you know everything. I thought we agreed not to respond to one anothers posts. Please don't respond to mine again, ok? Whatever. Picking Viz over anybody else in that pen when the game is on the line is laughable to say the very least.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) Put a cork in it 2nd guesser. If you were the manager, sit there and tell me you bring in lefthander Neal Cotts to face Manny Ramirez in a tie ballgame. If Cotts had been brought in and Ramirez HR'd you'd be the first one here screaming at Ozzie, and you damn well know it. Stop it, please. Vizcaino did not execute but no one is bringing in Neal Cotts to face Manny Ramirez in that situation except for an internet message board 2nd guesser. Vizcaino is atrocious in game situations and has been all season long. "He didn't execute" LOL!!! When has he ever executed when the chips are down?

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) Why? Cotts is way better against righties than Vizcaino. I don't even understand how someone could take this position. Cotts is way better than Viz PERIOD. There is no comparison. I don't trust Viz in a game situation any farther than I can throw him.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jul 21, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) KW we are not playing KC anymore this team NEEDS to add and will have to improve at trade deadline or we may see a first round exit again......DAMMIT Whoever was saying this is just like 2000 is exactly right. How much you want to bet that we mail in the second half and then go out like a b**** in the 1st round.