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QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) You're right, Porn and Trans-fats are different things. One is a known cause of heart disease. The other one tends to end up with sticky pages. Which one is worse again? A known cause of heart disease when it's consumed in too great quantities and not balanced with exercise. The other one tends to encourage kids to experiment with sex at too young an age leading to teen pregnancy and STDs. Which one is worse again?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:50 PM) That's not answering the question. Porn and foods are apples and oranges. I would not favor something like Rex was suggesting about permission slips ( I have to admit I got a chuckle out of it ).

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:48 PM) So, then you'd support requiring minors to have permission slips before being able to purchase trans-fatty foods or being able to only purchase them with a parent present? Because, clearly they aren't able to determine what's in their best interest.... And it is all about the children, right? The schools are doing that for us. Fatty foods and sodas are being wiped from menu's all over the country.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:42 PM) For years there trucks were the best on the market. I'm not sure if thats true (since they changed the styling around 03 or 04) but they had that market covered. AKA the most over-rated car company on the planet. On a lot of there products, people are paying far more than what they are getting. Yes, I have a bias against Toyota in fact I hate Toyota. HONDA, now thats another story That said I think the Tundra and 4Runner kick butt, they are just overpriced (especially the 4Runner). Nissan was for a long while. Friend of the family worked pretty high up at there headquarters out my way and they were paying well more than the American Counterparts (he had previously worked for two of the American car companies). I also know Nissan has opened plenty more plants in the midwest and vehicles like the Titan are built entirely in the US. At the same time GM assembles most of its products in Mexico (at least for SUV's) although my dad was telling me the higher up SUV's are produced in the states or in canada (one or the other). Sing it with me Jas.........."THISSSSSSSSSSS ISSSSSS OURRRRRRR COUNNNNNNNNNTRYYYYYYYYYY"

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:38 PM) Well you also make it sound like an effort to regulate the ingredients that fatty food is prepared in to make it less damaging to its consumers is the same thing as banning french fries. They are both nanny state laws. And if one is acceptable, the other one should be too. I think it's nanny state if you try to tell people who are capable of making rational choices ( read: adults ) what they can and cant have. Children are another thing altogether.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) Then why doesn't the reverse of that argument apply equally well to you? If it's hypocritical to support a government banning specific and unhealthy varieties of food while at the same time opposing a government's banning of specific types of pornagrphy, why is it not hypocritical to support the porn ban and oppose the food ban? That might increase the life expectancy in our nation by 5 years. You make it sound like I want to ban porn altogether. That is not so. I want a law in place that makes it harder for children to get a hold of it.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:21 PM) Tell me one that has offered anything near the compensation packages that the US companies have. Foregin automakers compensation packages are pretty darn attractive considering the Big 3 jobs are being shipped to other countries.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) So therefore you have no problem with state entities trying to ban certain types of food? I didn't say that. Im just pointing out how backwards that line of reasoning is.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) Sad, but no big surprise either... All of those nice Hyundais, Toyotas, and Hondas on the road mean less American high paying, benefit filled jobs. This is just a continuation of that. Not so fast SS2K. While Ford and GM move manufacturing capacity to places like Canada and Mexico as fast as they can, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan are opening up plants in the midwest and southeast. Seems nowadays if you want to buy American you should get yourself one of those shiny new Toyotas as American cars are American in name only. That's why I laugh when I see GM's latest ad campaign featuring "This is our country" by John Mellencamp. They must think we're stupid or something.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) I'm aware and I find that idea more beneficial than this law. Why? Adults are perfectely competent and if they want to eat fatty foods then that's they're perogative. Children are not capable of determining what they should be seeing and what they should not. That being true then why ban fatty foods and leave porn in the hands of children? That approach makes no sense at all.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:40 AM) I swear, older Taurus's are the biggest rust buckets on the road. I've owned 3 Escorts, a Probe, and a Windstar, and the last auto company I will ever support again is Ford. LOL f.o.r.d = fix or repair daily.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:40 AM) YES! I love threads devoted to executions because there's always several guaranteed actions: -Nuke cheering the execution of a man on death row for a horrendous crime. -Several posters criticizing Nuke for cheering the execution. -LCR posting a response which is half green, mostly criticizing Nuke and others for blood-lust while ignoring the absence of a deterrent effect. You forgot the tired old arguments that the death penalty is racist, all the methods are "cruel and unusual", Jesus wouldn't want that and on and on and on.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:31 AM) I'm a Scalia fan, not just because he's a textualist/originalist (even though there are problems with that theory...) but because he has a proper sense of the role of the Court, which is to NOT decide public policy. His motto is "if the people want it, take it to the the legislatures not the courts." Trouble is a lot of times people DO want certain laws and groups like the ACLU tie them up in court and sometimes get them knocked off the books because they simply dont like them.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) Sniff. My second car was a Taurus and I loved it very much. And now, a moment of silence for the Taurus. Any thoughts on if this has a broader significance for the American automakers? Ford is in DEEEEEEEEP doo doo right now. They lost nearly 6 Billion ( with a B ) in their latest earnings report which marks their worst loss since 1992. There's 2 things which are crushing the U.S. automakers right now. 1. Overdependence on SUV and light truck sales 2. Outmoded and costly labor contracts. Ford is getting hit the hardest because they have been the slowest to change while GM has almost got their ship righted ( I think they only lost 113 million in their latest report ) and Daimler Chrysler is profitable.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) That is the entire basis for the guys who refuse to pay their taxes on the basis that the IRS is unconstitutional in its very exsistance. Without some form of federal taxation, however, the government would be unable to fund itself and would cease to exist.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:07 AM) The faster this guy dies the better this world will be. As I said in another post yesterday, a shot in the back of the head would be a more efficient way to go. Though with his crime I wouldn't mind seeing him tortured quite a bit before he's dead. I hope he rots in hell. There's no amount of pain that could be inflicted on him that would match the grotesque nature of this mans crimes. What gaul on his part too challenging the lethal injection as "cruel and unusual".

I dont see the GOP holding the House but I think they hang on in the Senate 52-48. ( Counting those 2 mentioned as Dems )

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:25 AM) I have a feeling there will be a lot of close races come 11/7, and with them, a lot of voting controversies. The only good news that way is, with a lot of close races, some will likely fall each way, thus sort of cancelling out any feeling of national conspiracy. But, if one party or the other seems to win all the really close ones, watch out. It doesn't matter who wins, the other side will yell "CONSPIRACY!!!!!" no matter how clean the voting might be. One thing that would really be amusing about the GOP holding on to both houses ( I know its unlikely ) would be to hear the shrill cries of leftist bloggers crying bloody murder and saying we "stole" the election.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:15 AM) So Nanny State! Next thing is you'll be wanting to ban transfats too.... *insert joke about porn, lube and slippery slopes here.* New York already wants to do that.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:12 AM) Nuke, Mexico is forced, by US policies, to spend more of their GNP on fighting drug smuggling into the US, than the US. Because the US has a drug use problem, Mexico is racked in violence. The heavier drugs are produced in South American and smuggled through Mexico. The solutions involve South America and the US not the middlemen. Tex. The Mexican government is one of the most corrupt governmental entities in the world ( even more so than Chicago ). They allow narco-traffic through their borders with little more than a casual wave because everybody involved with stopping it is in the pocket of the drug cartels. They have crime problems because the government isin't interested in helping people get out of poverty, just exporting it to the U.S. & most of their police are either on the take or incompetent ( probably both ). As for South America, what solutions do you propose? A lot of the S.A. drug traffic has shifted from Columbia, where the government is still interested in helping, to narco-states like Bolivia and Venezuela where governments are decidedly unfriendly.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:18 AM) I'm honestly not trying to start anything, but I have to say that the lineup for those two days talked me out of even signing up for the free trial. There's nothing there that I want to listen to, although I'd imagine that there's something on other channels I'd probably like. I just don't listen to enough radio anymore to justify paying for it. Either of the satellite services are pretty much geared to folks who spend a lot of time in their vehicles ( people like long haul truckers, people with decent sized commutes, people who take frequent road trips ). For a person like me who is always on the road somewhere satellite radio is a godsend cause there's only 3 kinds of local radio stations: sucks, sucks worse & OMG THAT SUCKS!!!

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 05:24 AM) And damn Rosa Parks and MLK Jr. decided for themselves that we didn't need certain laws that forced them to sit in the back of the bus. Larry Flynt decided that we didn't need certain laws that criminalized the sale of his magazine to adults. Here's a newsflash: CONGRESS SOMETIMES PASSES s***TY LAWS THAT END UP BEING OVERTURNED BY THE PEOPLE. It's the Judicial branch's check in action -- INTERPRETING LAWS. LOL!!!! So in your warped view of the world laws designed to keep porn away from children are "s***ty" and comprable to jim crow laws of early in the last century? I expect nothing less from the likes of you. /rolly

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 10:12 PM) What is you all's opinions on PAC's? (waits and grabs some popcorn). I'll tell you my thoughts on it in a bit. PAC's should all get a nice muddy bootprint on their behinds from getting kicked out of Washington.

QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) The legal system is getting too expensive. We should probably get rid of trial by jury while we're at it. We will save at least ten dollars per juror per day they would have been in court. Think of all the money we could save! Once again. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for reasoned debate.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 09:06 PM) OK, here we go... --Interprets all 10 amendments of the Bill of Rights broadly, erring on the side of the people (not just 1 and 4 like the Dems, or 2, 5 and 10 like the GOP). --Sees getting off oil and other fossil fuels as a high priority, national security issue on multiple fronts (military, economic, environmental). --Expects the government to be run like a business (see my previous posts on how to accomplish this). --Understands the dangers of allowing religion (ANY religion) to dictate policy. --Believes that the federal government does not belong in the business of marriage, or any other personal relationships, whatsoever. --Supports a balanced budget amendment (with a declared war exception). --Supports a Truth in Legislation Act and/or a Line Item Veto power. --Pro-choice and pro-child. --Wants to remove monetary influence from any part of the equation for election of politicians. --Believes in a strong national defense, but also subscribes to the "walk softly and carry a big stick" theory (as opposed to the "walk loudly and hit people" theory). --Pushes for much greater funding and prioritization of non-traditional military strategy (this includes overseas operatives, increasing the flow of both SigInt and HumInt, alternate technologies, psychological tactics, etc.). --Stop all financial support of any nation or government that doesn't treat its citizens with at least some nominal level of basic respect. --Wants secure borders, but also easier policies for LEGAL immigrants and NO WALL. --Sees and understands the realities of our current environmental problems and their consequences, and promotes things like sustainable agriculture and energy policy, protection of open space and water sources, and much tougher standards for emissions at all levels. --Reverses the course of the current, tort-happy legal system in some fashion. --Favors privatization of social security to promote solvency, and eventually, getting the government out of that business entirely. --Favors open trade and moving the country forward in global business, as opposed to being protectionist. --Sees the war on terror as needing attention on THREE fronts: tracking and the big fish, securing our own country, AND addressing the root causes of terror in the Middle East (this is the part being ignored currently). --Sees big business not as a great evil, but instead, as one of the country's greatest assets and tools for growth. --Understands that "going it alone" in foreign policy should be a last resort. --Looks to get rid of the IRS almost entirely, favoring simplified tax codes and a near-zero reporting need for most taxpayers. --MORE FEDERAL MONEY TO: Environmental concerns as above, non-traditional national defense, science funding for national security needs like energy policy --LESS FEDERAL MONEY TO: Waste (see business point above), social security, entitlements generally, pork (truth in legislation and/or line item veto), exploration of fossil fuel sources, IRS and other self-serving agencies That's all for now. Maybe more later. I agree with much of your platform, but the SS issue stands out above all. The current system purports to be a "saftey net" but in reality it hinders lower income people who can't save their own money from ever accumulating wealth. This has the effect of keeping poor people down across multiple generations and keeping them dependent on the government. Allowing people to invest a portion of their SS money ( in other words, allow them to invest their portion of FICA while still sending the employer match to the SS system ) would allow even the working poor to build real wealth instead of depending on a meager government check in their old age. The current system consigns the low-wage people to a lifetime of poverty and dependence on government.