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QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 09:39 PM) With Boers and Bernstein right now! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so what was said? Anything significant?

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 02:54 PM) Bad Boys Casualties of War State of Grace Carlito's Way Dean Man Walking The Thin Red Line I am Sam 21 Grams Mystic River Yep, Chris had more talent. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Man, you forgot his greatest movie of all time, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. "Aloha, Mr. Spicoli. Aloha, Mr. Hand" That is an awesome movie.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) SHOCKING!!! It's a shame though. He had more talent than his lameass brother. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? What? I hope this is a joke. Sean Penn is a great actor.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) It's Adam Rich. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Who the freak is Adam Rich? And is he really a star? Angelina Jolie is a star, but Adam Rich? It is like dancing with the stars. Are any of them really stars? I guess it depends on your definition of what a star is.

I have three favorites. Giordano's, Salerno's in Berwyn, and Joseph's in Glendale Heights. Aurelio's is damn good too.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 07:11 AM) Overrated. I went there a month ago after hearing so much about it and I thought it was good pizza, but nowhere near the hype. I'll stick with Giordano's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm with you and I will go one step further. Lou Malnati's sucks. I will never ever go there again. I too listened to all the hype. I went there and I was extremely disappointed. I thought I may have had a bad pizza or came on a bad day so I gave it another try. It sucks. It absolutely sucks ass.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 02:06 AM) I second Aurelio's. And I know people probably won't select a well known pizzeria, but Sbarro is a close second. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude, Sbarro's? Honestly? It isn't even Chicago pizza. I believe they are from New York. Come on man.

QUOTE(wallyburger @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 01:15 PM) If the Sox meet the A's in spring training game, Frank and Kenny can meet in CF and start throwing hands. Duke it out. My money is on Frank. ...and please , don't let anyone break up the fight. Sell tix, or whatever. Kenny is going down. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My money is on Kenny. Frank is bigger, but he seems like a sissy. Kenny has a mean streak that Frank doesn't seem to have. I would definitely buy a ticket.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 12:27 AM) IMHO the hierarchy of STFU and taking the high road Owners > General Managers > Managers > Coaches > HoF caliber players > Starters > Bench Guys > AAAA hanger ons I think it is a respect the game type of thing. So in this case, we have JR , nice move KW, sorry wrong Ozzie, nice move Coaches, all nice move HoF caliber player, wrong, but less than Kenny. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't agree with this at all. I don't believe in your "heirarchy of STFU". Either you do it and your all good or you don't and this is what happens. You show and give respect to others and you get respect in return. You act out like a spoiled selfish brat and you get reprimanded. You act out and you are told to sit down and shut up. Frank acted out so Kenny gave him a spanking and told him to sit in the corner and shut the hell up. That is the "heirarchy of STFU" in my opinion.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 12:00 AM) I'm not sure what more you want. Both people are wrong. Frank should have never started it. KW shouldn't have responded to anything in the media. Period. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KW ended it. Period. This would have kept on going on and on if Kenny didn't say what he said. Thank you Kenny for shutting the Big Mouth up. Period.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 04:36 PM) Hopefully he does. He's in the driver's seat now, if he chooses to go that route. If he decides to no longer comment on the situation or says something about moving on, KW will be the only one looking like a fool in the end. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thomas already looks like a fool. Kenny called him out on it. Kenny just looks like a pissed off mother f***er who decided enough was enough. Thomas is the only one to me that looks like a fool.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 12:42 AM) If you don't give him a standing O, then you have not been a White Sox fan for the last 15 years. Whatever he says, he's still the best there ever was to wear this uniform. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is the biggest crock of s*** I have ever read. I can appreciate what he has done on the field, but to me what he has done off of it hurt the TEAM more than anything he has ever done on it. He was a very divisive person in the clubhouse which really hurt a team atmosphere. That could be a big reason why a lot of the teams with really good/great players on it have never won a thing. For that I will sit on my hands. What has he done for the team I love and root for? All you are talking about are selfish number type things that he did for himself and himself only. I will not cheer for that. He was disruptive in the clubhouse and never cared about the TEAM as a whole. Just himself and his numbers. Up his ass with any accolades he gets for being selfish and number oriented. To say that I am not a sox fan because I will not cheer for this guy just because he has great numbers is the biggest crock of s*** I have ever read. Who the f*** cares.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:35 AM) I disagree completely. KW wasn't pushed and prodded. He doesn't have to read the papers. He can keep his focus in the media on this year's team, not the past. Many athletes keep their focus on the field by not reading the papers and listening to sports talk radio. Ignoring the "noise" allows them to keep their focus on what they need to do on the field. This same premise should apply to KW in this instance. Ignore what Frank says and focus on this year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe others told him what he said. IT was not just in the papers. Sometimes it is unavoidable. I thought it was all over the place. The papers, radio, ESPN.. Not just in the papers. I am sure others have brought it to his attention as well. Some things are just not that easy to ignore. What Frank had to say over and over and over again is one of those things IMO.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:30 AM) I'm pretty sure they do care what Curt Schilling says when players who were on the team say it as well. Olivo was pissed and I don't know why you dont take that into consideration. And don't forget about the way KW toyed around with Kelly Wunsch before he dropped him. And do you honestly think that PK stays if they don't go 5 years and/or add Thome? I personally don't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I highly doubt that, I really do. Curt Schilling has a lot to say about a lot of things and most people couldn't care less about what he has to say. Olivo was not pissed. He was sad that he couldn't stay. Not pissed. KW toyed with Kelly Wunsch? I believe the rumor was that Kenny didn't want him around the clubhouse. Rumors were he was a bad clubhouse guy. Fact is Paulie took less to stay here for the same amount of years. Thome actually wanted to come here. Turn it and twist it to fit your argument. Do what you have to do. Whatever dude.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:24 AM) Except he hasn't done anything like that. He said that he would have appreciated a phone call earlier. I think he's wrong, but that's a LONG way from throwing the organization under the bus. Maggs called Guillen his enemy. Frank just said he was hurt that he wasn't called. Those two aren't even comparable. They're both wrong, but they aren't even close. Here's what Frank said about staying w/ the Sox:Yeah, it's more detailed than what Olivo was quoted for, but that's because it's Frank Thomas, and not a baby catcher. He makes it very clear that he'd like to be with the Sox. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> By insinuating that an orgnization is a player unfriendly organization and has been for years is throwing an organization under the bus. Naming players that have left badly years and years ago. The common denominator in all that is Reinsdorf. Not the way KW handles the players, but the organization which includes Reinsdorf in particular. So yes, Frank has done that. Frank is always hurt. He is a big crybaby. Oh my pride. WAAHHHHHHH!!!! But wait, let me tell the papers that I am not the first to lead on bad terms. This organization is known for this. I am not the selfish one. It is the organization that is wrong. That is throwing the organization under the bus. But hey, take it anyway that you want. See it anyway you want to see it.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:14 AM) You may not care, but other players around the league probably do. Players talk with other players and they do influence decisions. And Olivo was pissed because I guess he wasn't notified about being on the block. You can't dismiss these players as examples so quickly. Some may still be bitter, some may not. I'm just stating that what Frank is saying isn't false. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They do? I would highly doubt that other players care what Curt Schilling think or says. I also think that most have forgotten all about the lockout just as many fans have. Ok, then just take any player that ever left the Sox. Who knows if they are bitter that they left the Sox. We have no clue how they really feel regardless of what they say. Olivo wasn't pissed at all. What Frank said wasn't false, it just wasn't entirely true. The White Sox are not a player unfriendly organization. Thome wanted to be here. Konerko wants to be here and took less to stay. Many players like it here and for the most part players have come and gone with nothing bad to say at all. Only a select few have had bad things to say or left with animosity. That is where he is wrong.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:11 AM) Frank never said anything like that, right? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Frank never said anything like Olivo did? No I don't think he did. Did he say he wanted to stay here? Yes he did, but he is going about it the wrong way. It is one thing to be mad about not being here anymore. It is another to throw your former organization under the bus and accusing them of things. Idon't remember Olivo, Alomar, or Robin doing anything like this. That is a huge difference.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:06 AM) It's not really so many. I mean, Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez, maybe 2 of the 10 best pitchers ever, have both recently had bitterness at their parting with the Red Sox, Schilling's current organization. All clubs have this problem. But that doesn't justify Kenny, not by a long shot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wasn't stating that it did. People were mentioning that Frank was right by what he said that a lot of players left here on bad terms. I was debating that fact. Not defending Kenny at all.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 03:01 AM) He was also mad when he got to Seattle because he thought he was supposed to be our future catcher. It wasn't only tears, but angryness from him. I don't know how he feels now because I stopped paying attention to his career after he couldn't get PT from Seattle. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is not leaving on bad terms. That is just ridiculous. He wanted to stay here. That is all.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:59 AM) You can't say "f*** him then." It just doesn't work that way. If it were just 1 or 2 players who've had a problem with the organization, it would be fine and dandy, but this organization is known to have rocky relationships and breakups. Also, don't forget Curt Schilling as he's said he'd never pitch for the Chicago White Sox. You might like the players, but the players do have alot of weight around the league, especially the star players. To simply dismiss any player who says they dislike the way the franchise handles things is ignorant IMO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First of all you are taking "f*** Alomar" out of context. What I was trying to get across was "Forget I brought Alomar up". No one can actually point out to me how he left, so I just said "f*** him". In other words forget I brought him up since we can't prove if he left on a good or bad note. I am not dismissing him at all. I didn't know Schilling was a former player, so I really don't care about him. He would never pitch for the Sox because he believes, as do many, that Reinsdorf was responsible for the lockout. That is the only reason. Who the f*** cares about Schilling and what he thinks anyway? He should actually get off his high horse anyway. David Wells left our organization on good terms.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:57 AM) Past history doesn't dictate jack. You can't just assume Frank would've blown up regardeless. As has been mentioned, Frank had really mellowed out over the last few years. He was very proffesional and did nothing but support the team during their playoff run. He could've easily whined then. Frank is not Terrell Owens. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? History does dictate everything. I haven't assumed anything. I am simlpy going by his personality and his past history. He will always find something to complain and b**** about. It is his nature. If last few years means last year then I will give that to you. He had no choice but to support his team during the playoff run. What else could he have done? What could he have possibly whined about? He got a ring for doing absolutely nothing. Frank may be Terrell Owens in the locker room. We have no way of knowing that, do we?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:53 AM) I honestly don't remember with Robin, but I remember Olivo and Alomar. Alomar especially after he left the first time and signed with the D-Backs. He was really discontent. That's not made up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Olivo did not leave on bad terms. I don't consider crying because you don't want to go leaving on bad terms. Maybe to you it is, but not me.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:52 AM) I remember Alomar as well not being fond of KW. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> f*** Alomar then. Point being more players have left here on good terms than bad and Frank doesn't mention the players that left on good terms. He would like to point out only the players that left on bad terms because that suits his argument.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:50 AM) I thought Olivo was pissed when he found out he had been traded and was also sad too. I don't know if I'd call that leaving on good terms. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, never heard he was pissed. Never heard Robin was pissed and I never heard R. Alomar was pissed or called KW a liar. I think all of these are mad up accusations until I get to see some proof.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 02:48 AM) Will agree to disagree. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is not another choice as far as I can see it. Past history dictates he is a constant complainer and until I see a change from him I will have to go on what he has done in the past. b**** b**** and more b****. The only thing some are complaining about on here is that Kenny finally provided some chesse to go along with Frank's whine.