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QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 06:27 PM) Another example of how dangerous religion can be. And I'm sorry, but to even get involved in this type of group, makes me think you are an idiot. Sorry. My favorite is always the crazy christian, blowing up a doctor's office, because abortion is bad. Welcome to planet earth, land of the dumb. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tony I don't know exactly what you are saying here. Am I an idiot? I don't believe I am involved in this type of group. My wife is an idiot? Sometimes we are just looking for something and lead down the wrong path by others we trust. Sometimes we just want to believe in something so badly that we fall into something like this. I would not consider her an idiot whatsoever.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) You might want to consider the JW Church as well, I hear there are some really hot chicks there and you never have to buy them gifts <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is hilarious. It's funny because it's true.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Another possible approach is to ask her, based on all her knowledge, what she is looking for in an organized religion? What would it look like, then see if it matches with JW. The trick will be to get her to remember the pre-JW days. It is a great learning process to read the Bible, discover your truths and find a Church that supports that, then to find a Church and blindly accept their teachings. But then again, I am a born again Catholic, another mainstream denomination that has been likened to a cult by Fundamentalists. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I understand what you are saying. However it is hard to learn from the Bible the correct way using the Jehova Witnessess' Bible because they change it to fit their beliefs. The New World Translation is the Bible they use.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 05:10 PM) Sorry for the gross picture but it's what I found. IMO, the paw is not much bigger than the leg and any kind of "braclet" would have to be awful tight to stay on. end <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't agree. I don't believe that this is a reason for this to be a bad idea. YOu can clearly see there is also a pad above the paw that will help stop this from moving down too low. I can't say how it would work on little dogs, but for larger or medium sized dogs it doesn't seem to be an issue. Rock Raines did bring up a good point about the abrasiveness and the lighter fur and less skin around the leg area bringing infection. That is a good point that I agree would stop this from working. But the paw being the same size or almost the same size as the foot doesn't seem to be an issue.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) I gave my reasons why it is unrealistic for MY pets. Narrowminded, and ignorant.. yes, you have been. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ha ha. That is funny.

QUOTE(mreye @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) This has gone from cute to funny to stupid. :rolly <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You roll it all up into one and you get: I have my answer, but I will keep it to myself.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) Yes, the collar move a tiny bit, but the neck area is boltered with lots of fur and the thickest amount of skin on the dog's body. The neck area is totally insulated from wear and tear from this excess skin. The leg, or ankle of a dog has the least amount of skin, especially the thickness. This would cause immediate wear and infection, which as you know, leads to licking and biting of said area. The build of a dog doesnt allow this solution to be a good option. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, good argument. I see your point and I agree with it.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) From what I remember the paw is almost the same size as the leg. It's not like a human where your wrist is smaller than your hand... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am not sure about all dogs or most dogs, but the ones I have had the leg narrows and then the paw is bigger. I am not sure about smaller dogs.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) It's a opinion... it's right for me. The end. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Based on absolutely nothing with no room for any dicussion. Narrowminded. Now it's the end.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) Thats the thing though. Compare their neck with something that has extreme amounts of movement like their legs. The bracelet will slide up and down and up and down constantly with their movement and running. The collar sits in a place where it is fairly stationary. Its just not practical, it COULD be done, but it is not as viable of an option as a collar-based system. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Watch your dogs collar. It does as well. When it goes to pick something up, put its head down or lift it up. It also goes around in a circle. It never just sits in place. It can not be on the neck that tight to just sit in place. You could do the same thing with the ankle/leg brace. It doesn't have to be too tight or too loose. It doesn't and won't slide up and down the entire leg. It is not as viable an option as a collar I agree, but it is a realistic option. I would not want that around my pets neck for reasons I have already stated and that does not make it a viable option for me.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) It's my opinion, and others as well aparently, that it's unrealistic. Why can't you just leave it at that...? Damn. :banghead <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because it is not unrealistic and I have given information as how it is realistic. It is a discussion and in a way a debate. If you are saying it is unrealistic then I should have a chance to show you how it IS realistic. I have done so. Your side is not always right Steff. You seem to always have an issue with that. :headshake

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:39 PM) Oh.. my thinking cap is on. So is my common sense cap, logic cap, experience cap, and don't s*** on others opinions cap. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I honestly don't think it is. You usually have better comments than this. I never once s*** on anyone elses opinion if you are referring to me with that comment. I s*** on yours as much as you have s*** on mine. If you want to go back and check out the thread and point out to me where I did anymore than you did then please do. I never called you a name, especially not a wacko. That much is for sure.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) SSI, The onyl issue is that the walking/running motion would make the ankle device move up and down with steps and possibly irritate/rub off skin and fur on the area. Not only that, but the additional weight on the ankle could cause a change in gait which could possibly cause joint problems down the road, or even aggrevate dysplasia. Dogs are too prone to chewing on their limbs, and they move too much to make this a worth white idea. The collar is already an accepted part of their routine and would be the easiest way to incorporate the device into their lives. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The collar is not an already accepted part of their routine when you first get them to wear one. Some of them really react badly to them. Scratching it all the time. Jumping around when you put it on. Trying anything to get it off. It just becomes routine and habit if you leave it on them. As far as the additional weight, it doesn't have to be a big thing or made out of some heavy material. It could be thin as well so it would not be moving up and down the leg very much.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) LOVE boxers, that is going to be my next pet purchase for sure. LOVE rottys though, even though neighbors hate it, they are big loyal teddy bears. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rottys are without a doubt great and sweet dogs. I used to work at a vet when I was younger and I used to have to bathe the dogs. The Rottys were so sweet and gentle and would allow me to pick them up and put them in the tub. They wouldn't run away from the water. They would just sit there and allow me to wash them. They are awesome dogs. However, Boxers are my favorite. I can't ever imagine loving another breed like this one.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) So you want to compare tracking devices in humans to tracking devices on animals..? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why not compare them? They are exactly the same thing. The concept of the human tracking device was borrowed directly from the pet tracking system only the human tracking chip can tell a lot more information, specifically where that person is at any given moment. Isn't there testing done all the time on rats and other animals to see how it will affect humans? Someone here is a wacko alright. Steff, is it too early in the mornnig for you? Do you not have your thinking cap on yet? I am not comparing that one is right and the other is wrong. I amnot comparing the morality of it or privacy issues with it. I am simply stating that the concept and technology is there and it is in use.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) The ankle thing is unrealistic not because the dog would chew it but simply because it would never stay on! Take a good look at any dogs legs/feet. Unless the thing was tight enough to cut off circulation, it would simply slide right off. I also agree that a collar isn't the best idea in the world. As I said before, I've gone through a handful already because they always break. The implated chip is a requirement before adopting a pet at our local humane society. If they could possibly combine this ideas and make a transmitter that can be implanted like the chip that would be great. I just don't know if they can make the electronics of a transmitter that small yet... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? The pet's front legs get narrower as it goes down and then you have a paw to stop it from going any further. It doesn't have to be too tight or too loose. It will never slide off.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Details, details.. I'm sure there's some realistic solution. :rolly <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just gave them to you. Read below. It is already being done.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) The microchip is just like a barcode for pets. Implanting something in a pet that could allow for nationwide tracking wouldn't quite be trivial. I imagine there would be significant power requirements and where would you put the antenna? We use the microchip in all our dogs. I never realized how small they were until I saw one. It's basically a grain of rice and now you can prove that your dog is yours should it get lost and someone claim it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well the tracking chip is already being done in humans in Mexico and Japan. The chip is the same size. I don't know specifics such as antennas, power requirements or cost.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) Oh shut up already.. :headshake <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ha ha ha.. it has come down to that. I know you hate to be proven wrong. :rolly

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) I've owned pets all my life. They chew. It's what they do. Maybe you have the time to follow your dog around 24/7 and spray bitter apple or whatever on what you don't want him chewing on.. but most owners don't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ha ha!!!! Steff you are so funny. When did I say spray it on everything? Spray it on the leg/ankle brace that you are so sure will get chewed off or have the product pre-coated with such a substance. What you are insinuating is a ridiculous scenario when I am not even talking about everything around the house, but just the ankle/leg brace that I brought up. Plus you are saying that there is not any substance out there that a pet can not chew through? Come one now. There has to be something. The idea of it is very realistic.

The chip is usually implanted by the breader/pet store/adoption agency (humane society...) before you even get the pet. I know the humane societies around here all have it done before you get the pet. A lot of breeders are even requiring it because they want their animals to end up in good homes and not lost somewhere. Therefore you don't have to take the pet to the vet at all to have it done. It is already done for you in a lot of cases. It is becoming more and more common. In a few suburbs if your pet is lost and the animal control department finds it they will have a chip implanted as well. I don't know if you guys think this is some big procedure or something, but it is basically just a shot. It is not some surgical procedure. It is the size of a piece of uncooked rice. It is a permanent radio-frequency identification chip implanted under the dog's skin and read by a chip scanner or wand. Implantation is done with an injector that places the chip under the loose skin over the dog's shoulder. It is also not expensive, usually only 50-60 dollars. About the same or a little more than the cost of yearly shot visits, at least for me anyway. Steff, you can't make it out of a non-chewable substance for the ankle/leg brace? I find that hard to believe. I am sure it can be done. If not then put something on it that makes it unappealing for the animal to chew it. Bitter Apple has worked great for my dog, but I know other dogs will still chew it. There is a way to keep them from chewing it is my point and not unrealistic at all. I would never buy a collar with an implant because all of my pets have been able to lose their collar at one point or another. I want a break away collar for the reasons I stated earlier. I don't want them getting themselves hung on a tree or a fence or anything of that nature. I don't think a collar is worthwhile at all for a tracking device.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 05:08 AM) The microchip can only be "read" by vets and the humane society and only gives information like your name and address. If your neighbor up the road found your dog with no tags and decided to keep him, you'd never know. From what I understand, this invention would allow you to check a website and find out exactly where your dog is at. Assuming the tracking device is still on. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK, then improve on a product that is already out there. It should not be hard to take that microchip and make it something that you can track and check a website to find out exactly where your dog is at. The collar is just not a good idea in my opinion. I think most experienced pet (both cat and dog) owners would back me up on that. The collars can come off easily and be lost and you would have paid for nothing. Plus in some instances you would rather have the collar come of than have your pet strangled to death. Either way a collar is not the best place for a tracking device.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) I have a rotty, he seldom ventures far from the house, but if he does I can just follow the trails of screams in the nieghborhood as the suburbanites scurry away from him and hide in their mini vans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I live in the burbs and I love rottys. They are sweet dogs. Unfortunately some assholed tend to buy them for the wrong reasons and raise them wrong, but that is no the norm. I would definitely not be screaming or scurring and hiding in my own mini van. I am the proud owner of a boxer. I love all dogs, but the boxer breed is my absolute favorite. I will never own another breed again.

I have a suggestion. How about a comfortable ankle or leg brace that snaps on permanently. Like the kind that are placed on birds. You can place it on both a cat's and dog's front leg/ankle. You may have to wait for them to be full grown, but the collar would need this to be as well. I have an issue with collars because they can come off very easily on trees or fences and then you would no longer be tracking your pet. To have a collar that does not easily come off could harm your pet even more if they get caught on a fence or tree as they could strangle themselves. Just my two cents. I don't understand what is wrong with the microchip? Why not just use that? It is not that expensive either. Where is the improvement over that?

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) my limited advice is to ask your wife if she's looking for God or looking for a group. God will accept her under any conditions if she's truly seeking, people and their made up beliefs (yeah you too christianity) tend to be a little more selective, and dare I say, self-centered. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you for your advice. I have been down this road with her. I told her that being true to God is different than being true to a religion or group of people. Looking for God is different than looking for a religiion. Putting God first in your life is a lot different than putting a religion first in your life. We bump heads here. She just doesn't see where I am coming from with this. Then I get very frustrated.