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QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:15 PM) I don't see how all of this adds up to an "awful" experience. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Smoke being blown in my face and not being able to see what is going on 90% of the time = awful experience!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(whitesoxfan56789 @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) Someone was smoking near me monday night too and I dont like that but the seat thing is goin a little far. Sure its a pain when you have to get up for people when someone has to go to the bathroom or is going to get food but that is just part of the experiance of being there IMO. You cant force people to stay in their seats and if you had to go to the bathroom at the end of an inning you come back after it started they cant expect you to wait. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is not that I have to get out of my seat. We were sitting in a row with no one else in it. It is the fact that our fan base, which looks like you are included in it, don't mind getting up and blocking others from watching the game. If it is part of the experience then it shouldn't be. If you come back to go to your seat while play is going on then you should wait until play is stopped. That is the way to do it. You are expected to wait. I don't know when this became so common.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Apr 21, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) What stadium does that? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SBC Park. You know, with those little plastic chain links and then an usher is standing by it.

I went to the Sox/Twins game Tuesday night and had an absolutely awful experience. I loved the way the Sox played and I love the stadium itself. The problem I have is with the people that go to the game, and not all of the people. This is the first time in a long time that I have actually sat down either base line. I usually sit in the outfield seats, so this problem may have existed for a while without me actually noticing it. I have 2 problems with the people that go to the games: (1) Smoking in the seats I can't believe nothing is done about this. It seems like a pretty easy thing to take care of. Plus I can't believe people would be so rude and ruin the game and experience for other peolpe. (2) Getting up and walking the aisles in the middle of an inning while play is going on. This is something I can't believe exists. What is going on with our "fan base"? I thought that this was a well known courtesy in the baseball world, is it not? Have consideration for others that are actually watching the game and go in between innings or if there is a pitching change. If you don't want to watch the game then why are you going? I was actually embarrassed for these people for not knowing any better. Why can't the White Sox do something about this problem and have people at the top of each aisle chain off the stairs until the inning is over or play has stopped? When play is stopped you can let the people back down. Other stadiums do it, so I know it can be done. This really killed my experience of the game as I was stretching my neck on almost every single pitch. I am a fan that takes pride in the fact that our fan base is so knowledgeable of the game. After seeing this take place I am beginning to think our fan base is not so knowledgeable after all. Either that or they just don't give a s*** about others around them. Either way it is very sad and disappointing.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 19, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) And why should he be? He's still capable of putting up damn good numbers. If Barry Bonds was asked to ride the pine, do you think he'd be very happy with it? You don't ask your best player (or one of your best) to be relegated to the bench -- unless the situation absolutely calls for it, i.e. interleague, or if Thomas absolutely sucks against a tough righty. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where did I ever say that he should? I am simply pointing out that he is not all about winning. Winning is not the only thing on Frank's mind, which is what was stated in the post I responded to. By the way Frank is not Barry Bonds, that is a really piss poor comparison.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Apr 19, 2005 -> 03:31 AM) Frank just wants to win. He is tired of being the whipping boy for the Sox the past 10 years. He just wants a ring. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hope this is true, however I really doubt it. Do you think he would be fine with just being a bench player as long as they won? I serisouly doubt it. He may want to win, but he also cares about playing and putting up numbers. He would never want to be a Julio Franco type player.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 19, 2005 -> 12:21 AM) This is like your boss, going to the paper and telling you to show up to work on Friday with a new attitude. Its pathetic. Ozzie needs to take care of this stuff in house. Give Frank a call and tell him whats up. If a question comes up asking about Frank and his role with the club...Ozzie should simply respond with I gave Frank a call and we talked about it. Its a move we will deal with when he's 100%, until then, I wish Frank nothing but the best in a speedy recovery but Everett is our DH. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am sorry Chisoxfn, but I don't think that is the same at all. You can't compare what goes on in the world of sports to what happens in the real world. The world of sports has its own rules. I agree that Ozzie should keep it to himself, but I believe Frank has to be that way as well. There are things that are considered PC to say and that is what both should learn how to do. However, we would not have had a 15 page thread if it were not for the excitement Ozzie and Frank created. I am sure the media is thrilled with this story today.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) the pereption of Frank is much darker than the reality. So what if he is a bit if a diva? Pedro Martinez is and that doesn't make you a bad guy. I think with Frank you just give him some props to soothe his ego and he's fine. DOes Ozzie want to talk about winning? 8-4 ain't winning s***. Being the best team in baseball in 1994 and 2000 menas a lot more to me than Ozzieball and Frank is the numero uno reason we were the best team <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You said it all right there. Frank WAS great.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) I just want to throw this out there, it doesnt sound great to me at all, but maybe there could be a possibility of trading Frank. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For what reason and what do you expect in return for him? He is almost 37 years old and coming back from a pretty serious injury. He has great career stats, but not so great lately. You would never get anything in return for him. Plus there really isn't any reason to trade him. What else do we need at the moment?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:26 PM) He isnt that bad of a fielder, which is exactly why Jermaine Dye will take a seat for many a game when frank gets back. BUt I envision a 4 man rotation in the OF <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He didn't used to be a bad fielder. He used to be decent. Now he is down right awful.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) talking about yesterday and the finale of the twins game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then I think you are wrong. JMO.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) I hope Frank takes the high road so Ozzie looks like a real ass. He seriously is getting on my goddamn nerves with this. Don't talk to your players, talk to the f***ing umps and defend your players. That's your job. Your job isn't to provide a nice soundbite. He has too much of a big mouth. It seems like him and KW are trying to draw him out and talk his own way off the team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If your talking about yesterday's game then I think you are wrong about that. You don't want to lose your manager in a tight 2 run or 1 run ball game. And if anything Ozzie has been talking up his pitchers and telling the media that Freddy Garcia and Mark Buehrle deserve a lot more attention.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) You've gotta be kidding. Whatever definincies (sp?) that Everett has in the field he more than makes up for against right handed pitchers. Against righties, Carl has to be in the lineup every f***ing day if we want to have a productive offense. Against righties over the last three years, he's posted a line of .283/.356/.493, while Jermaine has posted a pretty pathetic line of (against righties) .240/.306/.429. Jermaine better pick it up, quick, or he's the man who's out of a job -- IMHO. You have to platoon the two. The only other option is to take out Podsednik, and that ain't happening. And my thoughts, as a whole, are that if we don't make the playoffs this year, Kenny ought to be sent packing, and same with Oz. For GM, Stone and Keith Law are two names I'd look at. But, I'm jumping way ahead here, in a scenario that might not even happen, so I guess I shouldn't have even brought it up... :banghead <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not kidding you. I stand by what I say. I would not take Dye out in order to make our offense a little more productive and to make our defense a lot worse off. JMO. It is not what I want to see.

It was pretty much already known that it was going to happen. Now it is official.

QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Honestly, let go straight to the root cause of the problem. IT'S ALL F'N TITO LANDRUM'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> f***ing Britt Burns! Get a damn hat that fits!

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) This definately seems to be the recurring theme...makes a lot of sense to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You would think the Blackhawks organization would learn a little from this mistake, wouldn't you?

QUOTE(southsider17 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 08:49 PM) I don't think losing Harry cost us any existing fans so much as it decreased the draw for newer fans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't even think it cost us that. I don't think we lost any fans because of Harry. I think we may have lost more because of Jimmy Piersall. People still talk about the crazy crap he did and said. I think the two of them together are the best team of broadcasters the Sox ever had.

QUOTE(Gldfinger5 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) I was listening to Lawrence Holmes last night and he was discussing the differences between the Cubs and White Sox in terms of media attention, fan base, and just overall popularity. One of the main discussions is why the Cubs are more popular and if the city of Chicago was ever a White Sox town. Now I'm only 25 so I can't go back to far, but I thought in the early 90's when the jerseys changed and we were one of the best teams in baseball that it was more of a Sox town than Cubs town. Do you guys agree or do you know of a time when you could be talking baseball with someone from outside Chicago and they'd just assume you were a Sox fan rather than a Cubs fan?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think we were doing ok until the 84 season. After that it was all over. The Cubs then became the only game in town. Kids back then are now into their 30s. When we came home from school the Cubs were on. Most kids watched them and then went to play baseball or fast pitch or something. If they didn't do that then they brought a portable radio and listened to the game while they played fastpitch or baseball. Bein on during the day helped them a ton. However, many will tell you all of the day games is the reason for them not being able to win too. The Cubs basically had this town all to themselves because they had channel 9 WGN Superstation, while the White Sox went to Sportsvision, which you had to pay extra on cable. Cubs were free to watch and the White Sox were more money? Who are going to gain more fans? I blame WGN for the change in the city from White Sox to Cubs. This not only hurt us in and around the city, but nation wide. If we were on WGN instead of the Cubs we would have a ton more fans. People all over the country know the Cubs because of that damn station. As soon as we went from WGN to Sportsvision it was over. That is where I think it all went wrong.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) Hopefully it isn't even a big deal for Frank and Ozzie. I mean, it's no secret that Ozzie basically talks without thinking half the time... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> and so does Frank.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) Let's hope so. Hopefully Frank realizes that Ozzie speaks first and thinks second. Ozzie is a classic example of not thinking before you speak. I think Frank knows the score and will just show up and play ball. He's getting too old for this petty bulls***. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think you can put the Frank into the same category as not thinking before they speak. The only thing Ozzie kind of has on his side is that English is not his first language. It is much harder for him to say exactly what he means and I am sure a lot of stuff doesn't come out right. Frank is no angel here, and he has made many mistakes about what he says to the media. He has been very consistent in the past about saying things without thinking.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Okay. Well that's strange, since just a minute ago you were defending Ozzie speaking out to reporters, saying that it was merely "saying it even louder. This is his team...He told it the way it is and the type of attitude he wants from his team." Well, so we agree that Ozzie was an ass for saying this to the press. I still disagree on Frank, but at least we agree on one thing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No I would not say an ass. But I agree he shouldn't have said it, but Frank shouldn't ahve either.

QUOTE(ISF @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:09 PM) If running into the wall making a play makes you a bad outfielder, I must wonder why an outfielder as crappy as Rowand is playing CF for us. Dye is no longer the fleet of foot guy he used to be. Everett covers as much ground. He's fearless out there, like Rowand. Probably doesn't have as good an instinct as Dye on getting jumps, but this is a guy who was playing CF for Texas a few years ago. He can hold his own out there just fine. Dye will have to pick it up with the bat if he wants PT when Frank returns. Either that or hope the groin keeps getting hurt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everett does not have half the arm Dye does and I would disagree with you about their range. Comparing Everett to Rowand is flat out ridiculous. I don't think anyone wants Everett playing CF for them anymore. I would assume he would be playing LF in either case. If Pods and Everett plays then Carl would play LF, Pods CF, and Rowand RF. If Dye and Everett play then we already know that situation. I would much rather have Dye playing full time than Crazy Carl. I am sure he will turn it around.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) Um, no. I'm not assuming anything at all. Because it doesn't matter. Suppose we assume exactly the opposite of what you assume I'm assuming. (I assume you follow?) So we assume that Ozzie told his players first. That makes it necessary to go moan to reporters after? That's somehow productive? You said he wants to communicate to his players. Fine, tell THEM. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like I stated before, both he and Frank were wrong. Neither should have said what they said to the press.

QUOTE(Steff @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) I think his point is why tell the media this stuff (about attitude problems) at all..? Jackie just slap me if I'm assuming wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is not what his first comment was Steff. His first comment was that he just made the comments in the paper. Then he states that it is assumption his foot. I think by going to the press with it he is just making an even bigger statement. He is saying it even louder. This is his team. He doesn't want selfish attitudes, not even from one of the greatest White Sox players in the history of the game. As far as I can see he didn't let out anything private. He told it the way it is and the type of attitude he wants from his team.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 05:56 PM) My "assumption", my foot. If he wanted to tell his players, he could have done so without whining to reporters, regardless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So are you saying that you know for a fact that he didn't talk to his players about it before he went to the press? For that matter directly after? How about just to Frank? If you don't know for a fact then it is an assumption.